From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 I was interested to note the reappearance of Jesus Monroy on bsd-related newsgroups recently (starting around March 24). I remembered his unique style of disrupting the flow of newgroup conversation, starting around 1993 if I remember correctly, with meta-discussions, bad spelling, inanities regarding sex, incorrect technical information and other classic newsgroup disruptor behavior. I notice from his content and volume of posting since he has reappeared that nothing has changed. A search of Usenet archives revealed something interesting, however. Searching for postings by jmonroy@netcom.com, his old address, gave three postings made between 1995 and 1997 (the archives didn't reach back to 1993). Two of these postings were not signed "Jesus Monroy", but rather "John L. Sokol" or some variation thereof (addresses given were sokol@reyes.stanford.edu and sokol@escape.com). The postings and a finger of sokol@reyes.stanford.edu are attached. I note the connection to the East Coast implied by the 201 area code number in the finger output. "Jesus Monroy" might translate as "Jesus my King". We now have the opportunity to build a profile of our poster, if indeed he is John L. Sokol. - the name might be a jab at the religious inclinations of some of the (best members of) the BSD community, i.e. the religiousity with which positions are pursued in the Unix community - based on this and the Stanford angle, we might infer that John/Jesus is of a mindset group which occurs occasionally in the top of the academic community, which worships the hard rationalist, scientific atheist mindset prevalent in western science before the 1960's and has contempt for right-brain, wholistic approaches to reality. These are essentially conservative people, who fall on (and frequently fail in) the "reality" (in a limited western sense) end of the "reality"-imagination duality. The underlying duality here is between a differentiating approach to existence represented by this scientific subcommunity, and an integrating one, represented in this instance by the Unix community. - the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of high academe and the inclination towards materialism implied by the content of the postings (trolling for women (were you with Ann, John, when you posted that one? (see posting 2)) , trolling for real estate customers who will "take their customers on the patio for lattes", trolling for customers for a porn site) might reflect another aspect of an opposition to the ethereal and Read the rest of this message... (173 more lines) Message 2 in thread From: sponge@swamp.net (sponge@swamp.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 You have way too much time on your hands... Sponge On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:00:03 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >I was interested to note the reappearance of Jesus Monroy on >bsd-related newsgroups recently (starting around March 24). Message 3 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 In article <37101bb6.14047660@news3.ibm.net>, sponge@swamp.net wrote: > [In reply to my post] > You have way too much time on your hands... > > Sponge Try taking some of it. Oh, by the way, I notice from your posting history that: - you think Linux should stay in the back office - don't like geeks (do they make you feel inadequate ?) - have only been posting under this account since about April 5. Let's look at one of your other articles, in rec.blabla.audio, replying to someone's query about how to wire a PA system: >Re: PA HELP/OPINION >Author: sponge >Date: 1999/04/11 >Forum: rec.audio.pro >Posted on: 1999/04/11 >Message-ID: <3710ec1b.1859077@news3.ibm.net> > >Incredible that you even made it to high school considering your lack >of english language skills like spelling for example. > >Is this what the American educational system is producing? > >I'm scared.... > >Sponge Tangential content which would tend to generate metadiscussion. Sounds like "Jesus". Are you sure you're not "Jesus" ? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 4 in thread From: sponge@swamp.net (sponge@swamp.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 You just proved my point.....You have far too much time on your hands. PLONK! Sponge On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:59:02 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >In article <37101bb6.14047660@news3.ibm.net>, > sponge@swamp.net wrote: >> [In reply to my post] >> You have way too much time on your hands... >> >> Sponge > >Try taking some of it. > >Oh, by the way, I notice from your posting history that: >- you think Linux should stay in the back office >- don't like geeks (do they make you feel inadequate ?) >- have only been posting under this account since about April 5. > >Let's look at one of your other articles, in rec.blabla.audio, >replying to someone's query about how to wire a PA system: >>Re: PA HELP/OPINION >>Author: sponge >>Date: 1999/04/11 >>Forum: rec.audio.pro >>Posted on: 1999/04/11 >>Message-ID: <3710ec1b.1859077@news3.ibm.net> >> >>Incredible that you even made it to high school considering your lack >>of english language skills like spelling for example. >> >>Is this what the American educational system is producing? >> >>I'm scared.... >> >>Sponge > >Tangential content which would tend to generate metadiscussion. >Sounds like "Jesus". Are you sure you're not "Jesus" ? > > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 5 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:59:02 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >In article <37101bb6.14047660@news3.ibm.net>, > sponge@swamp.net wrote: >>Incredible that you even made it to high school considering your lack >>of english language skills like spelling for example. >> >>Is this what the American educational system is producing? >> >>I'm scared.... >> >>Sponge > >Tangential content which would tend to generate metadiscussion. >Sounds like "Jesus". Are you sure you're not "Jesus" ? > No, it's a bad imitator. --- I AM NOT yet another unhappy Microsoft employee trying to divide and conquer the UNIX world. Message 6 in thread From: Tony Thomas (tony@ferengi.infobound.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: > [tons of stuff deleted for brevity] > the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of > high academe [tons more deleted] This was worth a good laugh. The rest, unfortunately, is more X-Filish than X Files themselves. Can't we accept that Jesus is just trying to be an asshole, that's all? I have met him a few times, and he certainly is not a sinister space alien with mysterious connections to the conservative (sic!) corridors of high academe. t. --- Tony Thomas tony@infobound.com Message 7 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 In article , tony@ferengi.infobound.com (Tony Thomas) wrote: > censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: > > > [tons of stuff deleted for brevity] > > the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of > > high academe [tons more deleted] > > This was worth a good laugh. The rest, unfortunately, is more > X-Filish than X Files themselves. Can't we accept that Jesus is > just trying to be an asshole, that's all? I have met him a few > times, and he certainly is not a sinister space alien with > mysterious connections to the conservative (sic!) corridors of high > academe. > > t. > --- > Tony Thomas > tony@infobound.com You ignore the rather startling facts I posted. You were maybe not around on Usenet in these groups around 1993 when we had the first coming of Jesus (Monroy...) ? I suspect that if Jesus Monroy does not really exist, then it might be interesting who is posting as him. Simple inferences are not necessarily immediately conspiracy-theory ramblings (it may take a little while, depending on what other information surfaces). I found the content I posted (jmonroy@netcom.com being used to post articles signed by and requesting contact for one John L. Sokol) using one of the standard usenet archives, you can too. This content raises the following three interesting possibilities: 1. Jesus (Monroy) exists, and used jmonroy@netcom.com to scam John L. Sokol 2. jmonroy@netcom.com is an account actually used by John L. Sokol, Jesus Monroy does not exist, and John L. Sokol (sokol@reyes.stanford.edu) is the poster who poses as Jesus Monroy, and spent months in 1993 and again now jamming BSD newsgroups with irrelevant blocking chatter in an attempt to disrupt discussion. 3. someone forged headers, and the posts I found were originated neither by John L. Sokol or Jesus Monroy. Put succinctly, you are either lying when you say you've met Jesus Monroy (and he doesn't actually exist), or jmonroy@netcom.com was used by someone (Jesus or a third party) to post articles under the name John L. Sokol. If this doesn't pique your interest, then you either haven't spent enough time on Usenet, or need to slide a little in the "imagination" direction of the reality-imagination duality. Oh and by the way, the high halls of academe, or at least Big Science, are mighty conservative, trust me. Both from their rationalist- modernist ancestry, and because they get too much money from DOD, DOE and other federal three-letter agencies (e.g. NSA) not to be. And please don't say this is X-filish babble; if you haven't been there, take my word for it. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 8 in thread From: sponge@swamp.net (sponge@swamp.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 Wayyyyyyyyyyy tooooooooooo much time on your hands if you have been chasing this guy since 1993. Get a life already, or at least ignore him. PLONK! Sponge P.S. No I am not Jesus or whoever this guy is you seem to have an obsession with. On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:20:33 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >In article , > tony@ferengi.infobound.com (Tony Thomas) wrote: >> censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: >> >> > [tons of stuff deleted for brevity] >> > the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of >> > high academe [tons more deleted] >> >> This was worth a good laugh. The rest, unfortunately, is more >> X-Filish than X Files themselves. Can't we accept that Jesus is >> just trying to be an asshole, that's all? I have met him a few >> times, and he certainly is not a sinister space alien with >> mysterious connections to the conservative (sic!) corridors of high >> academe. >> >> t. >> --- >> Tony Thomas >> tony@infobound.com > >You ignore the rather startling facts I posted. You were maybe not >around on Usenet in these groups around 1993 when we had the first >coming of Jesus (Monroy...) ? I suspect that if Jesus Monroy does not >really exist, then it might be interesting who is posting as him. >Simple inferences are not necessarily immediately conspiracy-theory >ramblings (it may take a little while, depending on what other >information surfaces). > >I found the content I posted (jmonroy@netcom.com being used to post >articles signed by and requesting contact for one John L. Sokol) >using one of the standard usenet archives, you can too. This content >raises the following three interesting possibilities: >1. Jesus (Monroy) exists, and used jmonroy@netcom.com to scam > John L. Sokol Read the rest of this message... (28 more lines) Message 9 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:10:35 GMT, sponge@swamp.net wrote: >Wayyyyyyyyyyy tooooooooooo much time on your hands if you have been >chasing this guy since 1993. Get a life already, or at least ignore >him. > >PLONK! > >Sponge > >P.S. No I am not Jesus or whoever this guy is you seem to have an >obsession with. > > Thanks Sponge. :-) --- I AM NOT yet another unhappy Microsoft employee trying to divide and conquer the UNIX world. Message 10 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 In article <3711e4fa.65580210@news3.ibm.net>, sponge@swamp.net wrote: > Wayyyyyyyyyyy tooooooooooo much time on your hands if you have been > chasing this guy since 1993. Get a life already, or at least ignore > him. > > PLONK! > > Sponge > > P.S. No I am not Jesus or whoever this guy is you seem to have an ^^^^^^^ > obsession with. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ believe what you want. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From: Tony Thomas (tony@ferengi.infobound.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: >In article , > tony@ferengi.infobound.com (Tony Thomas) wrote: >> censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: >> > [tons of stuff deleted for brevity] >> > the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of >> > high academe [tons more deleted] >> This was worth a good laugh. The rest, unfortunately, is more >> X-Filish than X Files themselves. Can't we accept that Jesus is >> just trying to be an asshole, that's all? I have met him a few >> times, and he certainly is not a sinister space alien with >> mysterious connections to the conservative (sic!) corridors of high >> academe. > You ignore the rather startling facts I posted. You were maybe not > around on Usenet in these groups around 1993 when we had the first > coming of Jesus (Monroy...) ? Been here long before... > I suspect that if Jesus Monroy does not > really exist, then it might be interesting who is posting as him. You obviously prefer your conspiracy theories to life, or you just plain cannot read. I said, "I've met him." Is there some part of it I should explain? > I found the content I posted (jmonroy@netcom.com being used to post > articles signed by and requesting contact for one John L. Sokol) > [more X Files stuff deleted for brevity] > Put succinctly, you are either lying when you say you've met Jesus > Monroy (and he doesn't actually exist) You assume I actually give a shit one way or the other to lie about something like this? Boy, you have a strange mind... > or jmonroy@netcom.com was used by someone (Jesus or a third party) > to post articles under the name John L. Sokol. If this doesn't > pique your interest, then you either haven't spent enough time on > Usenet, or need to slide a little in the "imagination" direction > of the reality-imagination duality. My, my... How about this: some guy asks Jesus if he can post something for him becuase he doesn't have a private access to the net. Well, that would be so unromantic, I guess. No mysteries, no investigations. Just can't be, huh? > And please don't say this is X-filish babble; if you haven't been > there, take my word for it. Well, first of all, I don't even know who the hell you are, so how can I take your word for anything. I suppose one of those "three-letter agencies" must be after you, so you have to maintain your anonymity. Well, have fun living in your world. I gotta get back to reality now. t. --- Tony Thomas tony@infobound.com Message 12 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 On 11 Apr 99 04:07:18 GMT, tony@ferengi.infobound.com (Tony Thomas) wrote: >censorsblome@my-dejanews.com writes: > >> [tons of stuff deleted for brevity] >> the connection to the (again conservative) corridors of >> high academe [tons more deleted] > >This was worth a good laugh. The rest, unfortunately, is more >X-Filish than X Files themselves. Can't we accept that Jesus is just >trying to be an asshole, that's all? I have met him a few times, >and he certainly is not a sinister space alien with mysterious >connections to the conservative (sic!) corridors of high academe. > Thanks Tony. :-) . I'm still rolling on this one. --- I AM NOT yet another unhappy Microsoft employee trying to divide and conquer the UNIX world. Message 13 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:00:03 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: > >......[SNIP]............. > >"Jesus Monroy" might translate as "Jesus my King". We now >have the opportunity to build a profile of our poster, if >indeed he is John L. Sokol. > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are on F*KCING DRUGS. Both John L. Sokol and I talk to bafug.org about two weeks ago. We were both on there. Talk to then and try something better. BTW, best laugh I've had in years. --- I AM NOT yet another unhappy Microsoft employee trying to divide and conquer the UNIX world. Message 14 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 In article <37112122.581450845@news.swbell.net>, thepinkpages@usa.net wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:00:03 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com > wrote: > > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > [...] > > You are on F*KCING DRUGS. That's F*CKING. Som thengs dont chang. > Both John L. Sokol and I talk to bafug.org > about two weeks ago. We were both on there. > > Talk to then and try something better. ^^^^ them. Why are there posts in Usenet archives from jmonroy@netcom.com signed by John L. Sokol ? Oh, by the way, John says you only rarely do drugs. Damn, you must of becum a fucking pilar of the community in the last six years. > BTW, best laugh I've had in years. Enjoy. Here's one for the rest of the readership. From your first go-round, one of the best replies posted back then, capturing your uneqe stile for all too ce: -Subject: Re: WILL ???BSD DIE? -Newsgroups: comp.os.mach,comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, -comp.os.linux.develo -Date: 3 Nov 1993 00:47:22 -0500 -References: -Summary: Jusus Monroy is Brain Dead - -Why Jusus, rumor has it you are on a sobatical at a russian -orthadox monastary in Codiac Island Alaska with a bunch of -other men wearing casics. Did you take your portable with you -just to tantalize the rest of us that have a purpose in life. -The bishop would shun you if he knew what you were doing with -your pc that was bought with diocesan funds. - -Do us all a favor - take your bible, make like a spruce tree and -save your sunday sermon for the masses in Codiac. After a few -trips to the pulpit your congregation will fasten you to a cross -on the island with some standard press steel airplane bolts. - -Then you would be completely brain dead. Read the rest of this message... (23 more lines) Message 15 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:38:09 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >In article <37112122.581450845@news.swbell.net>, > thepinkpages@usa.net wrote: > >> Both John L. Sokol and I talk to bafug.org >> about two weeks ago. We were both on there. >> >> Talk to then and try something better. > ^^^^ >them. Why are there posts in Usenet archives from jmonroy@netcom.com >signed by John L. Sokol ? > At that time the netcom account was a shared account. Mostly, because I stop paying netcom.com, but the did not delete the account or restrict accesss. Don't ask me why the world is just a F*cked up place sometimes. >Oh, by the way, John says you only rarely do drugs. Damn, you must >of becum a fucking pilar of the community in the last six years. > ...[I have not idea what to say, jordan.].... >> BTW, best laugh I've had in years. > >Enjoy. Here's one for the rest of the readership. From your first >go-round, one of the best replies posted back then, capturing your >uneqe stile for all too ce: > An mie uqnie speling?. :-) >-Subject: Re: WILL ???BSD DIE? >-Newsgroups: comp.os.mach,comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, >-comp.os.linux.develo >-Date: 3 Nov 1993 00:47:22 -0500 >-References: >-Summary: Jusus Monroy is Brain Dead >- >-Why Jusus, rumor has it you are on a sobatical at a russian >-orthadox monastary in Codiac Island Alaska with a bunch of >-other men wearing casics. Did you take your portable with you >-just to tantalize the rest of us that have a purpose in life. >-The bishop would shun you if he knew what you were doing with >-your pc that was bought with diocesan funds. >- >-Do us all a favor - take your bible, make like a spruce tree and >-save your sunday sermon for the masses in Codiac. After a few >-trips to the pulpit your congregation will fasten you to a cross >-on the island with some standard press steel airplane bolts. Read the rest of this message... (43 more lines) Message 16 in thread From: John L. Sokol (sokol@livecam.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 > them. Why are there posts in Usenet archives from jmonroy@netcom.com > signed by John L. Sokol ? Simple, He had a Netcom account rigged by one of the founders so we'd never have to pay a bill. Worked for almost 10 Years! Also at the time of the postings, Getting a Good News server in Los Angeles was next to impossible so I just borrowed his account since I don't think he even knew the password for it. JLS Message 17 in thread From: John L. Sokol (sokol@livecam.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/11 Hello censorsblome, I can assure you that I am indeed a real person. I even have a home page and everything. A simple search on altavista or whois and I show up all over the place. It should be no big mystery. It is a bit frightening how far back my misc. post have lasted, but It seems all the important posts about the release of a Public Domain Unix and it's insueing flame war was left out. As well as much of my other informational in software release postings! I also do not read or participate these news groups regularly and for the most part feel these things are a totally waste of time. Along with IRC. I can also assure you that I am not Jesse Monroy, nor do I take any responsibility or liability for what he does or his opinions. Although I have know him for over 10 Years. And he seldom does drugs. He's just incredible pain in the ASCII. Yikes, please don't mistake me for him. After I assisted Bill Jolitz in releasing 386/BSD and realizing how quickly revisionist history Kicks in and How badly Bill and everyone involved was treated. I had come within an inch of loosing my Job at Stanford at the time because I actually arranged the release/distribution of the first BSD on Intel Unix ever! Not to mention death threats and other forms of harassment. Don't ask me how I could have received 40 Megs of Flames for giving free software away with Source Code! I'd also like to mention here how all of the (Free, Net, Open) BSD 's hardly acknowledge Bill contribution if at all, I am appalled and ashamed. None of them would exist with out His efforts and the efforts of the many others who contributed to 386BSD, Defying the temptations of Money (BSDI) and dangers of (AT&T) power! We risked it all for this. If BSDI, the Berkley University team and AT&T had there way there would just be another SCO or MicroPort. No Source and a $1000+ a copy broken Intel Unix , probably still with 64K segmentation! I'm sorry but I never want anything to do with a bunch of ungrateful flamers again for the rest of my LIFE! All of my work and contributions are now done in Secret and indirectly because of this type of stupidity. This is why Linux is winning! I also would appreciate if you would never mention or post anything on the net containing my Name again! Especially in any of your twisted conspiracy theories. If you knew what was really going on you'd hide under a rock too. John L. Sokol Message 18 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 In article <3711354D.4C04@livecam.com>, sokol@livecam.com wrote: > Hello censorsblome, > [...] > I can also assure you that I am not Jesse Monroy, nor do I take any > responsibility or liability for what he does or his opinions. > Although I have know him for over 10 Years. And he seldom does > drugs. He's just incredible pain in the ASCII. Yikes, please > don't mistake me for him. What of the posts from jmonroy@netcom.com signed by you ? > I also would appreciate if you would never mention or post anything > on the net containing my Name again! No problem. As long as you and Jesus Monroy aren't one and the same. > Especially in any of your twisted conspiracy theories. If you knew > what was really going on you'd hide under a rock too. I've never felt the need. A good bitchslap of one form or another usually helps convince the subjects of the conspiracy theories to settle down. But why don't you share with us what's really going on ? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 19 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:00:16 GMT, censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: >In article <3711354D.4C04@livecam.com>, > sokol@livecam.com wrote: >> Hello censorsblome, >> [...] >> I can also assure you that I am not Jesse Monroy, nor do I take any >> responsibility or liability for what he does or his opinions. >> Although I have know him for over 10 Years. And he seldom does >> drugs. He's just incredible pain in the ASCII. Yikes, please >> don't mistake me for him. > >What of the posts from jmonroy@netcom.com signed by you ? > You are hopeless, aren't you. >> I also would appreciate if you would never mention or post anything >> on the net containing my Name again! > >No problem. As long as you and Jesus Monroy aren't one and the same. > Never were. >> Especially in any of your twisted conspiracy theories. If you knew >> what was really going on you'd hide under a rock too. > >I've never felt the need. A good bitchslap of one form or another >usually helps convince the subjects of the conspiracy theories to >settle down. But why don't you share with us what's really going on ? > Why don't I............ Yes I will. --- Any questions see: FAQ: who is Jesus Monroy why should you care Message 20 in thread From: Bill Fumerola (billf@aqua.chc-chimes.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 1999/04/12 On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, John L. Sokol wrote: %> I'd also like to mention here how all of the (Free, Net, Open) BSD 's %>hardly acknowledge Bill contribution if at all, I am appalled and %>ashamed. None of them would exist with out His efforts and the efforts %>of the many others who contributed to 386BSD, Defying the temptations of %>Money (BSDI) and dangers of (AT&T) power! We risked it all for this. I can't speak for {Open,Net}BSD, and I never speak officially for FreeBSD, BUT: In every history page that is on the FreeBSD site, Bill Jolitz is prominently displayed and thanked along with others who worked on the patchkit. If you feel there is historical error, I'd invite you mail me or the webmaster privatly and we'll be sure to make the corrections. Also, http://www.FreeBSD.org/send-pr.html is always a way to queue up a complataint / suggestion, and I'm sure the other BSDs have appropriate hooks for that too. Thanks, -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - From: David Burgess (burgess@mitre.org) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Date: 1999/04/12 I've redirected this to the pertinent BSD newsgroups, I personally don't want to clutter up the Linux advocacy newsgroup with this ancient history again. "John L. Sokol" wrote: > After I assisted Bill Jolitz in releasing 386/BSD and realizing how > quickly revisionist history Kicks in and How badly Bill and everyone > involved was treated. I had come within an inch of loosing my Job at > Stanford at the time because I actually arranged the > release/distribution of the first BSD on Intel Unix ever! Not to mention > death threats and other forms of harassment. John, Lots of us received the same (or worse) treatment. I was just the FAQ maintainer (after Terry dropped out), and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations came rolling down onto my desk to "ask a few questions" (that started with "You have the right to remain silent") after I received a C&D order from AT&T. It almost ended my military career, and I didn't DO anything. I've heard you refer to the death threats before, and it still seems a little melodramatic. > > Don't ask me how I could have received 40 Megs of Flames for giving > free software away with Source Code! Actually, I was far more worried about subpeonas. Face it, free source code was a radical idea at the time. It was in the Berkeley tradition to release their code onto the world without restriction, but they were a 'big University operating in the public good'. Linux has 'just' started (they didn't even have a shell then, remember?) and the early adopters were on the leading edge of a movement that the Linux folks think they invented.. > > I'd also like to mention here how all of the (Free, Net, Open) BSD 's > hardly acknowledge Bill contribution if at all, I am appalled and > ashamed. None of them would exist with out His efforts and the efforts > of the many others who contributed to 386BSD, Defying the temptations of > Money (BSDI) and dangers of (AT&T) power! We risked it all for this. > I'll agree that none of them would exist without his original effort, but there are good reasons why they exist BECAUSE of his actions. Jesus, you, Terry, Chris, Jordan, and the rest fought like tigers on- and off-line. I Read the rest of this message... (127 more lines) Message 22 in thread From: censorsblome@my-dejanews.com (censorsblome@my-dejanews.com) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Date: 1999/04/13 In article <371294D5.412939EC@mitre.org>, David Burgess wrote: >[excellent content about the free BSDs] Thank you. I have to ask - dare we infer that one of the aspects of this situation was that BSD was seen as a strategic asset (given its ancestry and content), and that the federal government didn't take kindly to the notion of it being made available (as source) to the world ? I.e., freeware and national security don't mix, at least in the government's eyes, and when BSD finished the transformation from a research OS into a fully public open source one, the feds decided they had to part company with it ? I suspect this is not the only reason why the feds would have had a difficulty with this development, but regardless. Pardon if the question will not be answered. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 23 in thread From: David Burgess (burgess@mitre.org) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Date: 1999/04/13 censorsblome@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <371294D5.412939EC@mitre.org>, > David Burgess wrote: > >[excellent content about the free BSDs] > > Thank you. I have to ask - dare we infer that one of the aspects > of this situation was that BSD was seen as a strategic asset (given > its ancestry and content), and that the federal government didn't > take kindly to the notion of it being made available (as source) to > the world ? I.e., freeware and national security don't mix, at least > in the government's eyes, and when BSD finished the transformation > from a research OS into a fully public open source one, the feds > decided they had to part company with it ? I suspect this is not the > only reason why the feds would have had a difficulty with this > development, but regardless. Pardon if the question will not be > answered. At the time, I was a Technical Sergeant in the US Air Force. As such, I was under the direct jurisdiction of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. They were notified by AT&T's lawyers of the C&D order and wanted to ask me a few questions about my alleged illegal activities. It had nothing to do with the software, it had everything to do with using government equipment to perpetrate copyright violations. > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Message 24 in thread From: Jesus Monroy, Jr. (thepinkpages@usa.net) Subject: Re: Newsgroup disruptor Jesus Monroy is really John L. Sokol ? View this article only Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Date: 1999/04/13 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:50:29 -0500, David Burgess wrote: > >.......[SNIP]............... > >Anyway, I've gone on far longer than I intended. I hope I haven't hurt >anyone's feelings - but I think it's important for someone that was outside >of the meltdown to talk to this. > Dave, That's the best damm speech/writing I heard from you yet. BRAVO. --- If you gotta ask, then ......