From: John Sokol (MT.JLS@forsythe.stanford.edu) Subject: Re: netatalk-1.2 -> netatalk-1.2.1 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd View this article only Date: 1992-03-24 05:41:58 PST From ljolitz@cardio.ucsf.EDU Tue Mar 24 04:37:27 1992 Received: from cardio.ucsf.EDU by reyes.stanford.edu with TCP; Tue, 24 Mar 92 04:37:22 PST Received: by cardio.ucsf.EDU (5.61/GSC4.19) id AA13292; Tue, 24 Mar 92 04:42:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 04:42:18 -0800 From: ljolitz@cardio.ucsf.EDU (Lynn Jolitz) Message-Id: <9203241242.AA13292@cardio.ucsf.EDU> To: dkionka@cadence.com, sokol@reyes.stanford.edu Status: R Dear Don and John, Could you please get this out to as many people as possible. It is a brief response to kolsad (minor) and, more importantly, an announcement that DDJ will be collecting charity funds for the Children's Support League for the installation floppy as part of their careware program. It is very worthwhile and I would like to see a good cause benefit from 386BSD. Thanks Lynne. --------------------------------------------------------------------- keywords: 386bsd, charity, children Dear 386BSD Enthusiast: Before I get on to the IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT, I unfortunately must take a moment to correct several intentionally misleading and self-serving statements by Mr. Kolstad, Program Manager (whatever that means). Re: Kolstad's statement: "All code that Bill developed through June 30, 1991 was contributed to the BSD project, as was all work performed by the two other BSDI employees during that period. That work was included as part of the Berkeley NET2 distribution, the most recent distribution made by Berkeley. This donation forms a significant portion of "386BSD Release 0.0". The code written by Jolitz and other BSDI employees was not developed without compensation, nor was it developed solely by Jolitz." As I look at the Berkeley NET/2 license list of contributors "that have provided a large subsystem", I see Bill listed first as "386/486 support". Not surprising, since he started the project in 1989, used our lunchbox for the early system port, got Compaq and Cyrix to contribute time and hardware, and had the port completed and contributed by late 1990. Regarding the "two other BSDI employees", I would guess he is referring to UUNET employees Donn Seeley and Trent Hein (or possibly Rick Adams). This is unclear since BSDI did not exist prior to the NET/2 release. In the "large subsystem" section, Donn is cited for his work on the "ANSI C prototypes" with John Kohl and the "HP300 port" ("Wow, does that have something to do with 386BSD?") with Jeff Forys, Mike Hibler, Jay Lepreau, and the Systems Programming Group of Utah CS Department. In the "specific items" section (the small stuff, though not trivial), Rick Adams is cited with a "cast of thousands" (their words, not mine) for "news(1)", as well as for "slattach(8)", "slip(8)", and "uucpd(8)". Noble efforts all, but not relevent to 386BSD. Trent Hein is not mentioned at all. I recall he did a version of init that was contributed to Berkeley AFTER the NET/2 release, but only BSDI has been able to obtain a copy. This doesn't trouble us however, as software contributions have begun to pour in and the 386BSD audience has much to look forward to in the coming months. In fact, if anyone else should be cited for contributing to 386BSD, it should be Don Ahn, who wrote the console driver and the floppy disk driver. I know he isn't a big name, being just a Berkeley student, but we haven't forgotten his contribution, and he was thanked in the January 1991 article in DDJ. Also, his attribution remains. (He is also cited in the NET/2 letter along with several others: Tim Tucker, Sean Fagin, and CMU, for their contributions of 386 device drivers. They all deserve a round of applause). Claiming a "significant portion" of 386BSD is absolute trash. You can no more claim 386BSD is your creation anymore than you can claim System V Release 4 is your creation. Attempting to steal the credit of those who have contributed to this effort in an attempt to line your own pocketbooks is contemptible. We will not allow you to attempt to rewrite a well-documented history, nor take the credit due to all those who have made a significant contribution to 386BSD -- NOT BSDI, but 386BSD! 386BSD was completed and contributed to Berkeley after two years of work, in 1990, and neither Don Ahn or Bill received any compensation for their work. However, Bill did work for UUNET from January to June of 1991. I recall he spent much of his time keeping 386BSD up-to-date with the changes at CSRG for the NET/2 release (something that benefitted BSDI/UUNET AND OTHER CONTRIBUTORS) and attempting to teach Donn Seeley about the PC. Since no one at BSDI could even answer a simple question about the BIOS at last January's USENIX (a question 250,000 readers of the February 1991 article could have answered -- this was not unnoticed by the Press), I think Bill must have failed in this regard. So much for knowledgable support on your part. Regarding your comment: "BSDI is not attempting to impede creation of free BSD systems. Moreover, BSDI has made significant contributions to make them possible." Fine. I'm glad to hear it. You might start by ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING something to 386BSD, instead of hoarding. If you don't wish to, that's alright by me. We have plenty of others willing to work to make 386BSD a success. But spare us the BIG WHINE. Now, ON TO THE REAL IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: DDJ will be providing copies of the standalone installation floppy as part of their "Careware" Program. What is careware, you may ask? It is very simple. When you send in your floppy and mailer to get a copy, you stuff into the envelope a dollar or two for charity! The 386BSD Project is contributing all proceeds sent to DDJ to the "Children's Support League", an organization which supports small groups focussed on aiding abused and disabled children. Among the many children who have benefitted in the past from generous contributors have been children who have lost a family member and received counciling, disabled children who could not communicate who can now "talk" with computers, and abused children who were given a welcome respite at camp. Why do I feel so strongly about this? I am a mother blessed with two strong and healthy children. It makes my heart weep to see so many tragedies happen before a child is even given a chance. It is time we gave something back to those less fortunate. While I know you can get a copy off of the net, I ask you to participate in this charity drive. It's only a dollar or two, but you can make a difference to a child who needs our help. Contact DDJ now for more information. Thank you, Lynne Greer Jolitz. ljolitz@cardio.ucsf.edu Message 3 in thread From: Sean Eric Fagan (sef@kithrup.COM) Subject: Re: netatalk-1.2 -> netatalk-1.2.1 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd View this article only Date: 1992-03-25 13:34:47 PST In article <1992Mar24.134158.15278@morrow.stanford.edu> MT.JLS@forsythe.stanford.edu (John Sokol) writes: >(He is also cited in the NET/2 letter along with several >others: Tim Tucker, Sean Fagin, and CMU, for their contributions >of 386 device drivers. They all deserve a round of applause). Since I'm pretty sure that's me, I would like to point out that my name is Sean Fag*a*n (it's a jewish surname, not an irish one). I do not appreciate having my name (any part of it) misspelled. -- Sean Eric Fagan | "One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one sef@kithrup.COM | form to bring them all and in the darkness rewrite the -----------------+ hell out of them" -- sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC. Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.