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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!zdc!super.zippo.com!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Paul Newhouse <newhouse~spam@rockhead.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Network Performance Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 19:12:11 -0700 Organization: Rockhead Enterprises Lines: 76 Message-ID: <33BC5BFB.59E2B600@rockhead.com> References: <slrn5qngmn.ie2.jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu> <5opk40$aho@nusakan.cedar.buffalo.edu> <33bac1aa.215140895@news.probe.net> <33BB878E.15FB7483@rockhead.com> <5ph6lh$3ee$1@flea.best.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wanker.nas.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE i386) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:43895 Matt Dillon wrote: > I think it goes beyond simple statistics. Microsoft can > fake most statistics to make NT look good even when it isn't.. > Do you remember the database 'clustering' demonstration they made? > it was pathetic... they mangled the definition of a 'cluster' so > badly that it wasn't even close to reality, yet they managed to > convince half the people at the demonstration that what they had > was useable. You took a wrong turn Matt. Nobody is suggesting taking measurements from an M$ controlled demo. You get NT, you put it into service on a small BUT realistic scale. You do the measurements. You do the evaluation. NOT M$. > What we need to be is more vocal. No Matt, you need to have your shit together. [dogmatic religious banter deleted] Management doesn't care that you are in love with FreeBSD. While you wander around flailing your arms, calling everyone names and using foul language, the M$ folks are calmly talking to your management and convincing them you're a lunatic and they have the answers. You need to be calmly talking to your management and coming up with sound plans that protect: you, your management (all the suits), your company, your customers/clients. If you aren't willing to put your beloved OS up against the competition in a fair and realistic "shoot-out" then management will assume that you are just smitten with FreeBSD and don't really have any basis for you doom and gloom rants. What you are doing is comparing you pets against some boogie-man. Decide what's good about FreeBSD construct a "shoot-out" that forces NT to go up agaisnt the strengths of FreebSD. That means you have to identify them, spell them out clearly, so that your management and you understand the properties you've highlighted. Decide what your company needs. Not what products but, what services, capabilities and qualities. Choose what fundamental technologies you need to embrace and which you need to work with and those you need to steer clear of. All of the NT sales effort is designed to give your managment that warm comfy feeling. You need to arm your management with the ability to understand what they are talking about. FACTS that they can understand. >Look at them: they are >doing their entire service on just 4 machines. We are spending >tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on 30+ machines running >NT and can only support half the users they do Nice start. Now get that NT box up and running and demonstrate that it's NT and not the bozo's at the other company. >Why should we throw away good money alpha-testing microsoft software ? You just can't look at this correctly. You are not throwing away your money. You are researching the industry in order to find the best "stuff" for your company to invest in. Yo want to evaluate the available by "just knowing". Management won't buy that for long. It's apain in the neck but, it holds up. Paul -- ISDN is almost like actually being connected to the net.