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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!ganglia.bms.com!not-for-mail From: "Joseph M. O'Connor" <JOCONNOR@USCCMAIL.uscc.bms.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: FreeBSD development question Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:24:22 -0700 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 62 Message-ID: <33850DE6.673A@USCCMAIL.uscc.bms.com> References: <337F43DC.371@XXsnet.net> <5lpiaq$5so$1@klemm.gtn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oconnorj.wf.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:41545 Andreas Klemm wrote: > Yes indeed. They are written by hand. > > > That is, is the developer just an expert in the pseudo-language > > of makefiles? > > Real developers are in my eyes. Simply relying on a GUI is lame. > Like the todays NT system administrators. Can handle the GUI but > nothing more :-/ > > > Or is there some king of ascii-based or GUI development tool > > available for UNIX that generates makefiles based on compiling > > options and the like? > > There has been made a port of a Makefile generator. But I think > that you usually don't get the functionality of a hand made Makefile. > > > > Also, does anyone know of any integrated development environments > > for UNIX (FreeBSD) that would closely approximate some of the > > capabilities of the Borland C++ Builder or the Borland Delphi > > development environments? Hopefully these questions are good ones. > > No. Not in my eyes. > > -- > Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by > Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html Could you please tell me why you think relying on automated makefile generation and a GUI environment is lame? I have been using both (Borland C++ and Delphi) for the past few years. In my experience, they saved me a lot of time without interfering in any way with my programming efforts. With or without an integrated development environment, I always have to write a lot of code for any reasonably sized project, but the drag-and-drop capabilities of an environment like Delphi or C++ Builder make the "boilerplate" tasks a lot less tedious. As far as I can see, an IDE like those mentioned above would certainly be nice to have on a Unix platform, only that no one has gotten around to developing them. I certainly don't mean to imply that developing them is a trivial undertaking (it's obviously an enormous one) or that there is nobody who works on Unix as a development platform who is up to the task; it's just one of those things that no one has gotten around to yet. However, I think that we have to acknowledge that there are programming tools available on other platforms that are worth emulating on Unix and that dismissing them just because they are on those platforms is simply blind prejudice. Respectfully, Joe O'Connor