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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.Hawaii.Edu!news.lava.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!philabs!blanket.mitre.org!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!Hanover.Germany.EU.net!Hamburg.Germany.EU.net!news.netuse.de!gtnduss1.du.gtn.com!ertgseq.rtg.europipe.com!udomunk From: udomunk@ertgseq.du.gtn.com (Udo Munk) Subject: Re: Cheap ISDN solutions [was: What's the state of ISDN support?] Reply-To: udo@no.email.address.for.all.the.spam Organization: Europipe GmbH, Germany Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:56:49 GMT Message-ID: <E901up.IIn@europipe.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Nntp-Posting-Host: emueclu1-2.mue.europipe.com References: <33303AE2.503C@cmr.no> <5gqhjt$k3t$1@gail.ripco.com> <5jarp2$h5d@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: news@europipe.com (News) Lines: 37 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:39461 J Wunsch (j@uriah.heep.sax.de) wrote: : That's simply since there aren't many alternatives. Unlike the US, : Germany doesn't have many usable other options for digital connections That is not exactely correct. The technology is here, everything you want, ATM networks, wide band networks for video conference, digital switching devices using high speed fibre optic links, whatever you want. The problem is you are allowed to use it on privat property only. The german telco company has been a buerocracy for 100 years and not a service provider and they had a guaranteed monopoly for all this time. So they never had any demand to do any work for the money they charge, we are no customers here. : (and let's face it, when it comes to IP encapsulation, ISDN sucks : rocks since it provides voice grade reliability which is plain : overkill for IP). OTOH, the Deutsche Telekom apparently realized that That's what ISDN was developed for, TCP/IP wasn't an issue at all when the protocol was specified. : the local infrastructure (the wiring to the customers) is the most : expensive part, and with more and more customers demanding two lines, : they save half of this infrastructure thus half of the costs. That's : what i assume why they have been pushing this technology (and given : their previous burocracy-like behaviour, it's surprising that they now : got a feeling for how to satisfy both their own interests and those of : the customers). It's not very surprising because they lose their monopoly next year and there are many companies which have the techology ready we want, all they need is a permission to install and operate it. But it sure is funny to watch them struggle to offer the features now, which are available in the privat networks since so many years. Looks like they would like to continue to be a communication provider after the monopoly is gone ;-) -- Udo Munk http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Udo_Munk/