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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!fjholden.OntheNet.com.au!not-for-mail From: Tony Griffiths <tonyg@OntheNet.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Cheap ISDN solutions [was: What's the state of ISDN support?] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:14:22 +1000 Organization: On the Net (ISP on the Gold Coast, Australia) Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3356CAEE.1258@OntheNet.com.au> References: <33303AE2.503C@cmr.no> <5gqhjt$k3t$1@gail.ripco.com><333226A6.ABD322C@FreeBSD.org> <5hqooq$gtn@ui-gate.utell.co.uk><33423F01.167EB0E7@net-tel.co.uk><5hvtj8$e44@ui-gate.utell.co.uk> <139@fridaycs.win-uk.net> <861220198.962@dejanews.com> Reply-To: tonyg@OntheNet.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: swanee.nt.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:39252 b13c54v@cpslsops.bell-atl.com wrote: > > In article <333226A6.ABD322C@freebsd.org>, > "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.org> writes: > > Since I was also lucky enough to live close to work, I > got a Centrex ISDN circuit which means I basically just leave it nailed > up 24 hours a day and it costs me about $60/mo. Naturally, YMMV on the > line charges, and the fact that my "ISP" is also my work gives me free > > You know Jordon, > > People like you who use centrex and ISDN the way you do are going to > eventually over burden an already taxed local telephone telephone network > and drive ISDN costs up for everybody else. Do you know what kind of > burden you place on the network when you leave a line up 24 hours a day > not to mention the added burden of ISDN. And then you are irresponsible > enough to encourage the whole world to do the same thing by posting your > comments on the internet. That is a very shortsighted attitude. This is the same BULLSHIT line that Telstra (Australia's incumbent telecommunications "monopoly") tried to use in it's submissions to a Senate committee. Basically, an ISDN call uses LESS electronics in the telecommunications system than an analogue call. It is a digital device talking directly to a digital switching network without all the A/D and D/A stuff getting in the way. That is the reason why the same crappy pair of copper wires can do ISDN Basic rate (2xB+D == 144 Kbps in each direction) or even ISDN Primary rate (1.5 Mbps in the US, 2 Mbps elsewhere) as are used for a single analogue telephone call! If the target of the call is off the same local exchange, then the cells of data will simply go up one set of dedicated wires (which the customer has payed for) and then go down another set of dedicated wires (also payed for)... Where is the COST to the Telecom in that??? I have a friend who did some work for Alcatel (Australia) who supplies switching infrastructure to Telstra. Telstra was complaining about the "COST" of one of these modern digital switches but shut up when Alcatel pointed out that at their margins each switch made enough profit to pay for itself in 3 DAYS!!! The Telco's keep complaining about the Internet and long-held calls COSTING them money. Basically, the ONLY problem they have is getting caught "with their pant's down" in their planning and provisioning. Yes, the Internet and related infrastructure requires more resources but it also generates more revenue. They like the revenue but don't want to spend any extra on equipment over and above their 3% per year growth projections that worked with the old POTS services. What they need to do is "get their finger out" and change their planning models then spend some of their profits (some would say "obscene" profits) on additional infrastructure and stop complaining... Tony