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From: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de (H. Eckert)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: missing packages
Date: 31 Mar 1997 13:42:12 GMT
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udplmc@FIX.TIN.DOMAIN (Lloyd M Caldwell):
>   It would be MUCH better (IMHO) to NOT list packages
>   that aren't on the install media.

There are several difficulties in putting all packages (and I think
the problem generally applies to ports as well) on the distribution CDs.

The obvious one is disk space.  The CDs are quite stuffed as they are
so everything won't fit on them.  Some things have to be left out...

The probably not so obviuous one is licensing.  While I hate it to
download essential software like pgp the US export restrictions make
it necessary to keep pgp off the CD (unless there are enough disks
sold to allow for two seperate issues US/international, but I won't
like to have the administrative nightmare for this).


OTOH you do have a point about the frustrating part of having to
first hunt down some package over the net before you can install it.

In theory your machine is well connected to the internet and the
software is stored longtime for your retrieval at the location indicated
in the port's Makefile.
In reality your connection may not be so fast or quite expensive
(some people even don't have one at all or not from their BSD machine)
and when you decide to add a package half a year later, it's gone from
the original site or version x (which the port is based upon) has been
superseeded by version y and the old release is thrown away.

To improve this situation will probably take some effort not to be
underestimated.

At first we may have to find some categories for all packages which
can be used to determine

- the importance of each software package (be it a pre-made package or
a port) and whether it needs to be stuffed on the CD or not

- the (in)dependence of the FreeBSD release.  Most user-level applications
that are ported now (thus their port is in FreeBSD-2.2/ports) run on
2.1.x, too.  Some depend on new features of 2.2, but are not easily
recognized when browsing through the collection.


It would be nice if the FreeBSD team had the capacity to keep all
packages in the version that matches the ports' MD5 checksum and
it was possible to have a global setting to retrieve the archives
from the nearest complete FreeBSD-site.

Greetings,
				Ripley
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