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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!grumpy.fl.net.au!news.webspan.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk!hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk!john From: John Clark <john@hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:10:17 +0000 Organization: eMpower Systems Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <nHOWEFApJDJzEAY7@hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <5dbapu$t1f$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> <x7n2ti4s7i.fsf@dumbcat.codewright.com> <5dc7qq$hed@phoenix.sysbe.sysgo.de> <5ddcvf$4dh@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> <330a1d23.2419719@172.15.0.208> <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de> <330B2333.38B6@to.me.?> <857190027.3067.2@msn-4-3.binc.net> <5fsk31$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <5g19sp$26iq$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hobsonindustries.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 <kHbyF9XivCHlk5edm+DOGfEmmo> Lines: 63 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:163774 comp.os.linux.networking:71504 comp.os.linux.setup:101943 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6283 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2779 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:56546 comp.os.os2.advocacy:273590 In article <5g19sp$26iq$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, pcguido@ibm.net writes >In <5fsk31$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) >writes: >|William A. Barnett-Lewis (wlewis@mailbag.com) wrote: >|: In article <330F8EB5.7DE1@agapesystems.com>, andersop@agapesystems.com >says... >|: > >|: >Mathew E. Kirsch wrote: >| >|: >> The people with the attitude that "vi is satan incarnate" will never >|: >> learn to appreciate its efficiency and power, simply because they refuse >|: >> to try and learn the syntax. Learning vi is paramount to learning UNIX, >|: >> as it teaches you to think in a unix mindset. >| >|: >If you used ed, vi was a blessing. If you used vi, emacs is a blessing. >| >|: AMEN! On both parts of that statement. >| >|Clue me in. >| >|I'm an historian by training and employment, not a computer nerd. >|I've tried emacs. I've tried e. I've tried various other >|editors. >| >|I still find vi <more> <user> <friendly> than anything I've >|tried. >| >|That fx finds the next instance of x, that Fx does the same thing >|to the left, that dw deletes a word, etc., took me all of two or >|three tries to remember, and, as any number of contributors to >|this group will quickly tell you, I'm not very bright. Assuming >|I had mistyped the previous line, I would have type b to back up >|a word. To backup five words, I would have typed 5b. Although I >|have a PhD (history), typing 5b to go back five words does not >|qualify as "rocket science" in my book. >| >|Am I missing something? >| >|Earl H. Kinmonth, Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!), >|University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2UJ > >Yes. You are missing the fact that you are living in the past. >vi is about as user friendly as a kick in the shorts. The whole notion >of editing 'modes' is rediculous and about as modern as a crank starter. > >Oh, now I get it! vi is as modern as a crank starter, Earl is a crank. >It all makes sense now! > >BTW Earl, when do the kiddies come back to school? > > >Phil "Guido" Cava TeamOS/2 >Help, PC! >Let us help you achieve Warp Speed today! >email at: pcguido@ibm.net >> Proud Member: Jeff Glatt OS/2 Zealots list, 01-MAR-97! > I used to be a system administrator on a unix network. I'm now involved in a PC network environment but still very often use the PC version of vi - just because I like it ! -- John Clark