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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!metro.atlanta.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!165.87.194.248!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail From: pcguido@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: 10 Mar 1997 15:38:01 GMT Lines: 54 Message-ID: <5g19sp$26iq$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <5dbapu$t1f$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> <x7n2ti4s7i.fsf@dumbcat.codewright.com> <5dc7qq$hed@phoenix.sysbe.sysgo.de> <5ddcvf$4dh@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> <330a1d23.2419719@172.15.0.208> <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de> <330B2333.38B6@to.me. <857190027.3067.2@msn-4-3.binc.net> <5fsk31$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: pgguido@ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-210-200.ca.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:163772 comp.os.linux.networking:71502 comp.os.linux.setup:101941 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6281 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2777 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:56544 comp.os.os2.advocacy:273588 In <5fsk31$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: |William A. Barnett-Lewis (wlewis@mailbag.com) wrote: |: In article <330F8EB5.7DE1@agapesystems.com>, andersop@agapesystems.com says... |: > |: >Mathew E. Kirsch wrote: | |: >> The people with the attitude that "vi is satan incarnate" will never |: >> learn to appreciate its efficiency and power, simply because they refuse |: >> to try and learn the syntax. Learning vi is paramount to learning UNIX, |: >> as it teaches you to think in a unix mindset. | |: >If you used ed, vi was a blessing. If you used vi, emacs is a blessing. | |: AMEN! On both parts of that statement. | |Clue me in. | |I'm an historian by training and employment, not a computer nerd. |I've tried emacs. I've tried e. I've tried various other |editors. | |I still find vi <more> <user> <friendly> than anything I've |tried. | |That fx finds the next instance of x, that Fx does the same thing |to the left, that dw deletes a word, etc., took me all of two or |three tries to remember, and, as any number of contributors to |this group will quickly tell you, I'm not very bright. Assuming |I had mistyped the previous line, I would have type b to back up |a word. To backup five words, I would have typed 5b. Although I |have a PhD (history), typing 5b to go back five words does not |qualify as "rocket science" in my book. | |Am I missing something? | |Earl H. Kinmonth, Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!), |University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2UJ Yes. You are missing the fact that you are living in the past. vi is about as user friendly as a kick in the shorts. The whole notion of editing 'modes' is rediculous and about as modern as a crank starter. Oh, now I get it! vi is as modern as a crank starter, Earl is a crank. It all makes sense now! BTW Earl, when do the kiddies come back to school? Phil "Guido" Cava TeamOS/2 Help, PC! Let us help you achieve Warp Speed today! email at: pcguido@ibm.net > Proud Member: Jeff Glatt OS/2 Zealots list, 01-MAR-97!