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From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Betting on Unix
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Date: 8 Mar 1997 20:34:53 GMT
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Robb Shecter (rshecter@faculty.ed.umuc.edu) wrote:
: In article <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de>,
: Stephan Pfab <pfab@mathematik.uni-ulm.de> wrote:
: >edward@islandnet.com wrote:

: There's something being missed here, though:  Ancient programs like vi
: and emacs that require the user to memorize a million keystrokes are just
: too hard to use.

Million?

More like a couple of dozen max.  Either that, or your version(s)
of vi are more capable than mine.  (MKS Toolkit for OS/2, SCO
UNIX 5.0.2, SunOS, etc.)

: After all, these editors are the means, not the end.  They should be 
: blindingly easy to use, like a Windows program.

Since when are Windows programmes blindingly easy to use?

For me, use vi with [nt]roff and doing something like

.IP tag number

is a hell of a lot easier as a way to get a paragraph with a
hanging indent than anything I've seen in Windows programmes.

: Emacs, vi & kin are asking us to do the equivalent of memorizing everything
: we've ever learned, word for word.

Rubbish.  

An analogy.

When you are driving and want to make a left turn, do you recall,
via rote memorization, the instructions from the [state of your
choice] vehicle code for "when making a left turn against
opposing traffic"?

Unless you have an IQ at a level that qualifies you for sheltered
employment, if you've done it more than two or three times, you
remember it.  It becomes automatic.

--

Earl H. Kinmonth, Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!),
University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2UJ