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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.rain.net!atheria.europa.com!europa1059.europa.com From: bknotts@europa.com (Brian Knotts) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: 9 Mar 97 03:15:42 GMT Organization: Europa Communications Inc. [Portland, OR] Lines: 38 Message-ID: <33222b5e.0@atheria.europa.com> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <5ddcvf$4dh@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> <330a1d23.2419719@172.15.0.208> <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de> <5f6fhq$el0@faculty.ed.umuc.edu> <5fsihd$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: bknotts@removethistoemailme.europa.com (Brian Knotts) NNTP-Posting-Host: atheria.europa.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:163405 comp.os.linux.networking:71242 comp.os.linux.setup:101527 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6256 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2752 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:56170 comp.os.os2.advocacy:272831 In <5fsihd$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: >Robb Shecter (rshecter@faculty.ed.umuc.edu) wrote: >: In article <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de>, >: Stephan Pfab <pfab@mathematik.uni-ulm.de> wrote: >: >edward@islandnet.com wrote: > >: There's something being missed here, though: Ancient programs like vi >: and emacs that require the user to memorize a million keystrokes are just >: too hard to use. > >Million? > >More like a couple of dozen max. Either that, or your version(s) >of vi are more capable than mine. (MKS Toolkit for OS/2, SCO >UNIX 5.0.2, SunOS, etc.) Plus, running in X, emacs has menus, and Xemacs has keyboard equivalents listed on the menus! Now, it is fair to point out that there is no Xemacs "Make a New Macro Wizard." :-) >: After all, these editors are the means, not the end. They should be >: blindingly easy to use, like a Windows program. > >Since when are Windows programmes blindingly easy to use? Plus, you don't know when a Windows program, or "control panel," or "wizard" will actually behave as intended, or when it simply will refuse to carry out its assigned task. _____________________________________________________________________ Brian Knotts http://www.europa.com/~bknotts bknotts@removethistoemailme.europa.com End the war on the West!