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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: Careless integration of others' code (WAS Re: Why no addusr?) Date: 17 Feb 1997 10:12:01 -0500 Organization: Panix Lines: 56 Message-ID: <5e9sg1$dhb@panix2.panix.com> References: <none-ya023480001912962244220001@news.infi.net> <1997Feb16.102606@screwem.citi.umich.edu> <5e8chu$86h@panix2.panix.com> <1997Feb17.092249@screwem.citi.umich.edu> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:5492 In article <1997Feb17.092249@screwem.citi.umich.edu>, peter honeyman <honey@citi.umich.edu> wrote: >Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > peter honeyman <honey@citi.umich.edu> wrote: > > > >be careful what you ask for. the netbsd cabal seems determined to > >vandalize openbsd (documented in this newsgroup). i guess this is > >what they do with all the time left spare by ignoring bug reports > >in their own code. > > > > This from someone who publically admitted that his whining about NetBSD > "ignoring" his bug reports was completely erroneous, and that those bug > reports had never been filed at all. A trustworthy source, indeed. > >interesting word, there, trustworthy. i just read niklas' note, in >which he describes how his trust in netbsd developers was shaken to >the core by their wanton vandalism. Niklas did not say that. If you think that Niklas said that his "trust in netbsd developers was shaken to the core by their wanton vandalism", you'd seem to think that based upon a pretty free interpretation of what Niklas actually wrote. My take on what Niklas' article was that he was pretty sad about the entire mess. As, actually, am I. As I've repeatedly stated. >i guess i've said once too often that our attempts to help out by >identifying, fixing, and reporting netbsd bugs fell on deaf ears >because we failed to fill out the proper forms. but just once more, >and this time with feeling: we won't make that mistake again. peter, in the time NetBSD has existed, we have received well over 3,000 bug reports filed in the correct, organized fashion. Most are closed. In the last round of mass PR-closing, we closed over 500 PRs in a few weeks; this is intended to be a regular occurance. Clearly, there are not a shortage of people who can figure out how to send us PRs using the simple tool which both makes it easier to state the problem and easier for us to keep track of it to ensure that it gets solved. We also close a lot of bugs that we find out about in other ways. But it's pretty difficult to keep track of, for example, email about a bug in route(8) that gets sent to the port-i386 list. We do the best we can. We were genuinely concerned about your initial remark that we'd ignored bug reports from CITI, and we put quite a bit of effort into trying to find them. Consider the entire situation as you will; I know only that we've done the best we can. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names of common objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp! You towel! You plate!" and so on. --Sigmund Freud