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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!cynic.portal.ca!not-for-mail From: cjs@cynic.portal.ca (Curt Sampson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.security.unix Subject: Re: OpenBSD hides security fixes (and blindly integrates code) Date: 18 Feb 1997 08:40:56 -0800 Organization: Internet Portal Services, Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <5ecm2o$p6n@cynic.portal.ca> References: <none-ya023480001912962244220001@news.infi.net> <5e9t72$2t6@news.pacifier.com> <5ea2pm$h45@cynic.portal.ca> <slrn5ghrv6.90q.tqbf@char-star.rdist.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: cynic.portal.ca Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:5455 comp.security.unix:31902 In article <slrn5ghrv6.90q.tqbf@char-star.rdist.org>, Thomas H. Ptacek <tqbf@enteract.com> wrote: > >Please dissociate Mr. de Raadt and The Entity Known As OpenBSD. That's not really something I can do. It is, however, something you can do. When do you intend to remove his commit privileges and kick him out of the core team? :-) Given that Theo is the founder of OpenBSD, appears to be one of the key decision-makers, is the Sparc co-portmaster, the author of many of those web pages, has OpenBSD in his signature, and spends a lot of time in the usenet newsgroups promoting OpenBSD, it's disingenous to tell me to `disassociate' the two. People can't and won't until you (meaning the rest of the OpenBSD folks) take measures to do so. Letting him go on the way he does and still associating yourself and him with OpenBSD is tacit approval of his behaviour. If you don't like being associated with that sort of behaviour, you have four options: 1. Disassociate yourself from OpenBSD. 2. Formally disassociate OpenBSD from Theo and others of his ilk. 3. Make people behaving like Theo change their behaviour. 4. Make sure that people behaving like Theo appear to be in the minority in the OpenBSD camp. You probably don't like the thought of #1. #2 seems extremely unlikely to me. I certainly don't see much chance of #3 happening, since that's been requested before, with no good result. As for #4, well, you seem fairly reasonable, but with you on the one side of the scale, and Theo, Jason Downs and Peter Honeyman on the other side, there's a long way to go on that one. Keep in mind that the reason OpenBSD exists is that he had the same behaviour when he was part of the NetBSD team, and eventually, it appears, the NetBSD team just wouldn't stand for it any more. cjs -- Curt Sampson cjs@portal.ca Info at http://www.portal.ca/ Internet Portal Services, Inc. Through infinite myst, software reverberates Vancouver, BC (604) 257-9400 In code possess'd of invisible folly.