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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!news.apana.org.au!cantor.edge.net.au!news.teragen.com.au!news.access.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: Why no addusr? Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:46:01 -0500 Organization: Panix Lines: 63 Message-ID: <5dnfrp$gob@panix2.panix.com> References: <none-ya023480001912962244220001@news.infi.net> <DERAADT.97Feb8183929@zeus.theos.com> <5dmh68$ckm@panix2.panix.com> <DERAADT.97Feb10034559@zeus.theos.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:5334 In article <DERAADT.97Feb10034559@zeus.theos.com>, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com> wrote: >In article <5dmh68$ckm@panix2.panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes: > In article <DERAADT.97Feb8183929@zeus.theos.com>, > Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com> wrote: > > > >OpenBSD doesn't `want' to be "NetBSD plus more". Historically, that > >was just how it was started... remember I was a NetBSD core developer > >and hence this spin-off was a natural. But that statement isn't > >intended to indicate this situation came out of a _desire_ to be > >"NetBSD plus more". > > You were quite positively *not* a NetBSD core developer when, or immediately > before, or IIRC even in the same year that, you "spun off" OpenBSD. > > I realize that you probably weren't trying to give that impression, but just > so's nobody mistakenly acquires it... > >Huh? Thor, I was making no comments about the timing. However I DID >start NetBSD with 3 other people, DID co-run it for a couple years, >and I DID make serious contributions. Sure. I'm not about to disagree with that; it's the truth. But it would be easy to misinterpret your statement above as a statement that you were a NetBSD core developer when you started OpenBSD, which was not the case. I just want to make sure people have the chronology right. >I have no idea why you feel it neccessary to bring up such history. >But because you do, and because people might be curious, I will point >people at the file > > http://www.theos.com/~deraadt/coremail Which is an archive of email redistributed without permission, in violation of copyright, which you're damned lucky not to have been sued over. Look, Theo, whatever I may think of you or your project put entirely aside, posting that email is incredibly slimy. It's illegal. It's unethical. It reflects very poorly upon you and upon OpenBSD as a whole. Anyone who is unable to overcome the temptation to read Theo's "coremail" archive should bear firmly in mind that A) it's hardly the entire story of what happened, and B) a number of the other people involved have *declined* to make public a great deal of other relevant correspondence, for the exact reason which Theo seems to be ignoring: that redistributing other people's email without permission is unethical and a violation of copyright. >That file shows everything that happened (or at least all the >information I have on what happened). Which is to say, it's your point of view, only your point of view, it omits every other side in what was an extremely multifaceted discussion, and that it's very easy to draw the wrong conclusion by reading it. Not to mention that one shouldn't, since doing so is unethical and illegal. >This is just so that people don't end up with the wrong impression, >and so that nobody mistakenly acquires it... Ditto. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@panix.COM Stumbling drunk in the railyard looking for God: http://www.panix.com/~tls/