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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.174.222.160!news.axionet.com!not-for-mail From: Ryan <ryan@netidea.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:28:54 -0800 Organization: Axion internet Lines: 68 Message-ID: <32FA8556.4FCB2B92@netidea.com> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <E50rGo.K3n@nonexistent.com> <nLVF2tL@quack.kfu.com> <5d85f5$9k2@qnx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mpa77.axionet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:157016 comp.os.linux.networking:67721 comp.os.linux.setup:96152 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:5942 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2395 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:52252 comp.os.os2.advocacy:266534 Doug Santry wrote: > Here I think you are dead wrong. Unix doesn't want to be on your > secretary's desk, nor in every den in the world. It is for serious > programming projects/research. It doesn't want, not is it well > suited for, day to day office typing. unix yes, however I don't see that os/2 is a good server platform. (neither is nt :)) I was having a problem with some of ibm's sites. I'm assuming they are running warp server, so if they aren't... well I guess I'm wrong. Anyway, the system was very very slow. I would wait 30+ seconds to start recieving a reply. Ouch. And this is *not* a network related problem. Believe me, I know what I am doing... As for unix on desktops... well unix is the most stable, most efficient operating system. But the U/I is... ok, but the config is confusing for non-experts (however for experts you can setup an entire system in 3 hours or less, ask... me :), so the answer is.... NeXT: nice U/I, cool object oriented system, but with a unix microkernel (read: stable/efficent). anyhow... > W95 and Unix were conceived for different applications from the get go > and both are happy where they are. They aren't meant to compete with > each other. w95 wasn't conceived.. it grew from hacks and patches... unix was *designed*. w95 represents 5 years of devolpment by a large software company. unix represents _30_ years of development by experts, and the best minds in computer science. Hmm... > > >But Unix' achiles heel is that its compatability is only at source > >level. Each CPU requires its own compiler, and each OS requires its > > As with NT et al. this is a achiles heel? how odd... I think that you can port a linux ELF directly to a freebsd ELF system at the binary level (elf is cool :)) > > >own libraries. This, truly, is POSIX's next task - Application > >independence at the shared library level. If I have an x86 ELF > >binary, it should not matter what OS it was compiled on, I should > > No way. I agree with this statement: 'no way'. That task is not neccary. That task has been supersceded by java: machine code portability. Now we need more stable java interpreters. > > >be able to run it without modification or without fetching the > >libraries from somewhere. Unix is heading in this direction, > >but the quicker it gets there, the quicker it will be seen as an > >equal platform. And the quicker the applications will be ported > >to it. > > I don't know what you are saying here. Equal platform? To what? No kidding, equal to what? nt? nt is a joke... a bad joke at that. it makes me cry. -- Ryan Rawson System Administrator The Net Idea Telecommunications Inc. email: ryan@netidea.com