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From: rraffer1@osf1.gmu.edu (Ryan M Rafferty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,alt.unix.wizards,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd,linux.dev.ppp,linux.dev.newbie,linux.dev.linuxbsd,linux.dev.admin,alt.internet.services,alt.business.misc,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.business
Subject: Re: Linux and dedicated ISDN Internet Service
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Date: 28 Jan 1997 21:03:13 GMT
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Whoa.  Did you forget to log out of your terminal or something?  I'm assuming
this request for info is for real, in which case--

I wouldn't suggest setting up an ISP with the general lack of knowledge I
sense from you.  You claim to have never set up a Linux box before, and you
claim to have little knowledge of networking, but you plan to set up a
commercial enterprise based on those two things.  This is what I would call
a bad business plan.

Another factor is the speed of your line--an ISDN line shared between 15 or
so ISP subscribers is simply not going to be enough bandwidth.  Most ISP
subscribers nowadays will expect to have a reasonably zippy connection for
activities such as web browsing and network news, both of which will eat up
a lot of bps.  I doubt a 128k line will cut it, though I'm no ISP pro.

Finally, most of the questions you ask here are answered in several FAQs,
all of which are easily accessible over the net.  If you can't find what you
need, how can you expect to administer a system to customers who will be
asking tough questions and needing in depth support?

Just some cautionary thoughts to mull over.

Is mise,
Ryan Rafferty

Ilya (ibelooze@runet.edu) wrote:

:  Hello.  I am  thinking  about setting up  a Linux   server and  running  a
:  commercial  ISP with a  friend.   I have  never ran  or configured a Linux
:  computer so I have a few questions.  What is the  best hardware for Linux?
:  What is  the best motherboard?   Does it matter  what backup drive, CD-ROM
:  drive, or video card  I get? What distribution  to get?  How do I allocate
:  virtual memory, i.e.  the size of the HD part used for swapping?  How much
:  RAM do  I need?  Can Linux  function as well  as other, commercial Unixes?
:  (Digital Unix,   Solaris,  etc)  Are  there  any problems  with  sendmail,
:  Xwindows, et cetera?  We will get a dedicated  digital ISDN line, probably
:  a less  expensive 128Kbps one  and lease some  phone lines.  I now have an
:  opportunity to invest money in a commercial ISP and  some of the questions
:  I have are: How much will it cost to set up a  good Linux server and run a
:  commercial ISP?    How  many users  does one  need  to break   even?  I am
:  thinking $15  per month would   be a reasonable   charge.  How many  phone
:  lines?  What is the best ratio of  users to phone lines?   I heard that it
:  should be 10 to 1.  I  want to get the least  expensive setup possible.  I
:  know  that DEC hardware  is very expensive  that is why  I want  to set up
:  Linux.   I would really  appreciate  input from those  who have experience
:  with Linux servers or ISP in general. How much money should we be prepared
:  to spend to survive?

:  I understand that I will have to get a server, modems,  lease an ISDN line
:  and phone  lines,  a fax machine,  an   extra phone line,  rent an  office
:  because I don't  think I could run  a business  from  my apartment  in the
:  commonwealth of Virginia.  I will have  to get a  business license.  Do we
:  need insurance?  How much should we spend on advertising and how should we
:  advertise?  If this works  out I  will consider leasing   a high speed  T1
:  line, which is expensive - $1500+/month in our area.  What services should
:  we provide?  Email, WWW, dynamic and  static PPP/SLIP, Unix shell, usenet,
:  IRC, anonymous FTP  are the basic ones,  anything else?  How do we support
:  users dialing in on different platforms?  What software  do we need to let
:  users on all basic  platforms (Mac, Windows NT, 95,  3.1, OS2, Unix,  etc)
:  dial in?  I assume that once I test this with just a  few users the system
:  should not be much harder to set up for many  users.  How exactly do I get
:  a domain name for our machine and how much will it cost?  I expect to lose
:  money initially, and maybe  break even after a year.   Our primary goal is
:  not to make money, but just to survive.  My knowledge of networking is not
:  advanced but I hope to learn in  the process.  I  understand that Linux is
:  more popular than FreeBSD, but should I  consider getting FreeBSD instead?
:  Are there any  good books,  magazines or  www sites on  ISP, Linux? Please
:  email your ideas/suggestions/comments. Thank you for your time.

:  ------------------
:  Ilya Beloozerov
:  ibelooze@runet.edu
:  ------------------

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