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From: duane@herb.wecs.org (Duane Eddingfield)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs BSD
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Date: 28 Jan 1997 05:09:47 GMT
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Theo de Raadt (deraadt@theos.com) wrote:

:    FreeBSD:
:    My Web Internet servers. The Security, the flexability, the speed,
:    all beat linux.
: 			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

: Well, this particular part is not true.  I would definately suggest
: that RedHat Linux has better security than FreeBSD has.

   Are you kidding?? One good ping will take out a RedHat box, didn't
seem to bother the FreeBSD machine tho.. The same ping took out a
machine built by a very respected name brand too :-)

: I might know -- I've spent the last 6 months working with a group of
: people to fix the many security holes that exist in BSD systems (and
: all the numerous derivatives that used BSD code.... including Linux.)
: We are doing this work on yet another BSD varient -- OpenBSD, it is
: one of our main focuses.  A few of the people I've worked with also
: work on improving Linux security.  I think RedHat payed attention to
: these details, and it's starting to show because a few recent
: advisories indicate that they already had certain holes plugged.

   I've only been running OpenBSD for a month or so and hadn't really
looked at it in terms of security. Thanks for pointing this out. I
must also add that the RedHat people may have been paying attention to
security but they sure botched a lot of other things!

: This is just a guess, though.  It's hard to judge these things for
: sure without getting the security conscious people from the various
: projects together in a dark room and seeing who scares who more.
: Perhaps David Holland can tell me who was more scared when we talked
: at Usenix ;-)

: To me, one aspect of a secure-conscious operating system is that it
: ships with many holes plugged _before they become common knowledge_.

: Regarding FreeBSD comparisons, OpenBSD isn't neccessarily as fast, but
: well... fast isn't everything.  Correct operation might matter once in
: a while, too.... and more specifically that might include not having
: as many security holes and weeny users breaking root and modifying web
: pages.  I also concur with previous comments that most people are
: unable to spot a speed difference between the various operating
: systems; I have heard it many times.

: Instead our direction with OpenBSD has been to focus on security,
: standards compliance, and general usefulness.  It looks as if security
: concerned ISP's like OpenBSD.  Everything man-made has flaws, and some
: people are willing to put up with OpenBSD's flaws in return for some
: of it's benefits.  And people do occasionally make the opposite
: decision and it doesn't bother me.  They're probably also like mustard
: on their eggs (ICK!) and I don't take that personally either.

   Hmmm I haven't noticed any flaws in OpenBSD, as for speed, hell
we've all got pentiums, even Windoze seems responsive :-|

: I won't deny that FreeBSD is being used in a hell of a lot of places.
: As are MVS and VMS.  There's no accounting for taste (as long as you
: can run emacs!)

   I wouldn't even think of running Usenet on Linux, it would fall over
in an hour! FreeBSD has done the news server job at the ISP I work at
so well that my bosses want Linux replaced with FreeBSD, even a couple
of the Linux fanatics are having second thought since the upgrade to
RedHat 4.0. Sounds like maybe OpenBSD could fit into the firewall job...

: In other words, grab the latest copy of each...

: Try them.  Choose.  Then (don't) buy it.  (Just use it ;-) Next year,
: perhaps re-evaluate if you hear enough cool things about another
: system, or have too many PRIVATE bitches about the system you are
: using.

   Amem. I don't understand why people are so unwilling to do that.

: And perhaps we can all stop bitching about it though, and instead use
: our systems, whatever they are, for doing some cool things.  There are
: people out there that have provided code to all 4 free projects; even
: _kernel_ code...

: So, anyone want to help OpenBSD implement CD-R writing code?

   I wish :]  My humble thanks to all the people who make time to
contribute to all the free OS's.

</Duane>