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From: ritz@onyx.interactive.net (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: Re: Security hole
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:10:00 GMT
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Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com> is rumoured to have written:
:) In article <E4Boww.69M@news.interactive.net> ritz@onyx.interactive.net (Chris Mauritz) writes:
:)    In which case you get what's coming to you.  Running a secure system
:)    is an ongoing process.  You really DO need to waddle by ftp.bsdi.com
:)    once in a while and keep up with the patches.

:) Well, It's well known that I don't think this to be enough.  BSD is
:) being reactive to the bugs, just like all the other commercial
:) vendors.  They are not fixing a problem until the exploit becomes
:) well-known.

Well, it's a bit difficult to fix an unknown bug.

:) Even if you do this, I'd say the window is 3 weeks or so; from when
:) the bug becomes well known till when a fix is available.  But during
:) the period of not-well-known you are vulnerable as well.  Just to pick
:) an example, with the recent talkd exploit oh, the problem was known
:) about about 6 months.  Four weeks ago you couldn't just see a news
:) posting containing the exploit code, you had to actually go onto irc
:) and ask around...

I believe we were the first to report the ntalkd bug to BSDI and the
patch was available within 36 hours.  I don't find that terribly
unreasonable.

Regards,

Chris
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