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Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.advocacy Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!openlink.one-o.com!rossix!joelga From: joelga@rossinc.com (Joel Garry) Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.announce and comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc Message-ID: <1996Dec24.140913.12447@rossinc.com> Organization: Ross Systems, Inc. References: <851124523.3348@uunet.uu.net> <slrn5bml5e.hjr.jgoerzen@complete.org> <32bea3a3.0@cfanews.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 14:09:13 GMT Lines: 56 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au news.groups:4232 comp.unix.bsd.misc:1866 comp.unix.advocacy:32116 In article <32bea3a3.0@cfanews.harvard.edu> oly@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Oliver Oberdorf) writes: >In article <slrn5bml5e.hjr.jgoerzen@complete.org>, jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) writes: >[...] >|> Well, all I can say on this is that awhile back, when I posted to one of the >|> OpenBSD mailing lists (as I was in the process of choosing a Unix OS to >|> install on a computer), I received nothing but insults from Deraadt. Theo >|> also couldn't seem to keep from bashing NetBSD and FreeBSD at every >|> opportunity, and later spammed me in e-mail. I am all for spreading the >|> word about open Unices such as FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux, and >|> think that this would be a good way to do it. But I think that you have the >|> wrong person listed as moderator. >[...] > >I've been following the OpenBSD newsgroups since not too long after their >creation. The lists I follow have been very polite and appropriate - far >better than one might expect. There was a brief flame war resulting from >a Free/Open cross-post. In this case, both Open and Free contrtibutors >behaved less than perfect. In fact, the worst offenders (IMHO) were a >FreeBSD core member and a FreeBSD developer. > >My point is we're all jerks sometimes. I didn't stop using FreeBSD and I >didn't stop looking at OpenBSD. > >The content of the OpenBSD mailing lists has generally been better than >the norm for USENET and I don't see it as evidence that the newsgroup >would have problems. > > >|> I think that the creation of an OpenBSD group with him as moderator would >|> harm OpenBSD and the image of free Unices in general, rather than help it. > >I get the impression he (Theo) is only co-moderator. > > >|> (please CC a copy of your message to me via e-mail as I do not read >|> news.groups) > >Which leads to the obvious question: why do you have an opinion? If you >don't read newsgroups, why do you care about the existance of an OpenBSD >specific group? Perhaps he would read newsgroups if they met his perception of what a newsgroup should be. > >(this message not CC:'d) > >-Oly > -- Joel Garry joelga@rossinc.com Compuserve 70661,1534 These are my opinions, not necessarily those of Ross Systems, Inc. <> <> %DCL-W-SOFTONEDGEDONTPUSH, Software On Edge - Don't Push. \ V / panic: ifree: freeing free inodes... O