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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!symbios.com!southwind.net!complete.org!jgoerzen From: jgoerzen@complete.org (John Goerzen) Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.announce and comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc Date: 21 Dec 1996 03:08:30 GMT Organization: Communications Centre +1 316 367 8490 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <slrn5bml5e.hjr.jgoerzen@complete.org> References: <851124523.3348@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.2.1 BETA UNIX) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au news.groups:3929 comp.unix.bsd.misc:1859 comp.unix.advocacy:31812 On 20 Dec 1996 23:28:43 -0000, Todd C Miller <Todd.Miller@courtesan.com> wrote: >MODERATOR INFO: comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.announce > >Moderator: Todd C. Miller <Todd.Miller@courtesan.com> >Moderator: Theo Deraadt <deraadt@theos.com> > >END MODERATOR INFO. Well, all I can say on this is that awhile back, when I posted to one of the OpenBSD mailing lists (as I was in the process of choosing a Unix OS to install on a computer), I received nothing but insults from Deraadt. Theo also couldn't seem to keep from bashing NetBSD and FreeBSD at every opportunity, and later spammed me in e-mail. I am all for spreading the word about open Unices such as FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux, and think that this would be a good way to do it. But I think that you have the wrong person listed as moderator. At the time I wrote to request information, I had been running FreeBSD. I had politely enquired about OpenBSD and how it compares to FreeBSD and NetBSD. Theo proceeded to insult NetBSD as best he could, and later even use quite offensive language in a message to me (which he also attempted to post on a NetBSD mailing list). Apparently he was mad because his behavior got him kicked off the NetBSD devel. team. I do not want to get into politics of OpenBSD and NetBSD here. Perhaps he was unjustly removed from the team. Even so, that doesn't excuse his later behavior. I don't think that such behavior would be good for OpenBSD, Unix, or the free software world in general. I think that the creation of an OpenBSD group with him as moderator would harm OpenBSD and the image of free Unices in general, rather than help it. (please CC a copy of your message to me via e-mail as I do not read news.groups) -- John Goerzen | System administrator & owner, The Communications Custom programming | Centre and Complete Network (complete.org) jgoerzen@complete.org | Free Unix shell access, 316-367-8490 w/ your modem.