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From: bryan@panix.com (Bryan Althaus)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.internals,comp.unix.osf.osf1
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.6
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Date: 13 Dec 1996 10:37:17 -0500
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Thor Lancelot Simon (tls@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <58rqg5$4gc@panix.com>, Bryan Althaus <bryan@panix.com> wrote:
: >Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: >: In article <58n5q1$9ci@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de>,
: >: Andreas Borchert <borchert@turing.mathematik.uni-ulm.de> wrote:
: >: > On 11 Dec 1996 16:37:18 GMT, Peter da Silva <peter@nmti.com> wrote:
: >: > > I've got a bunch of reasons for disliking Solaris. That it's based on System
: >: > > V isn't one of them. I've got far more experience with System V than BSD.
: >: 
: >: > Would you please so kind to enumerate some of your reasons?
: >: 
: >: 
: >: Now, some of these have apparently been fixed in 2.4 and 2.5, and of course
: >: porting System V software has become less of an issue... I've done my ports,
: >: and new software that uses the System V interfaces tends to be written for
: >: the Solaris environment now. But Solaris gave me a pretty bad time for a
: >: pretty long time, and I'm not much interested in renewing my acquaintance
: >: with it.
: >
: >This is such bullshit.  Read your last line.  You haven't used Solaris
: >in a long time.  Most people consider Solaris from 2.4 on.  So in all
: >your arguements your talking about Solaris 2.0->2.3, which everyone
: >knew was buggy and to stay away from.
: 
: Oh?  I seem to recall Sun pushing a lot of customers, including me, very, very
: hard to use "Solaris 2.0->2.3".  I also seem to recall each and every new
: Solaris release from 2.0 to 2.4 claiming to not be buggy, not be a total
: performance dog, etc. and so forth.
: 
: I recall quite a bit of hardware that was supported by "Solaris 2.0->2.3"
: which was *not* supported by SunOS4.1.3 until other SPARC vendors did it
: themselves and Sun was forced to.  Sun downright *coerced* its customers to
: use early Solaris 2 versions, 

McNealy et al. have said publicly they "screwed up" in not making the move
to Solaris easier instead of forcing Solaris on them.  Old news...

: and now they're surprised that Solaris has a bad reputation in consequence?

Not around people who have used it in the last couple of years!

: Peter -- somewhere around 2.5 or 2.5.1, Solaris actually got usable.  

Please.  I've used Solaris since 2.4EA1 and it's was useable and stable
even on an Intel box let alone Sparc.