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From: le@put.com (Louis Epstein)
Subject: Re: FBSD Future...
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:25:30 GMT

Chris Mauritz (ritz@interactive.net) wrote:
: Louis Epstein <le@put.com> wrote:
: :)Chris Mauritz (ritz@interactive.net) wrote:
: :): Louis Epstein <le@put.com> wrote:
: :): :)I gather that 2.1.6 will be released on the net only,not on CDROM,so
: :): :)how would one handle an upgrade from 2.1?(No point in going to
: :): 
: :): Do an FTP install.  If you've got a reasonably fat pipe to the
: :): net, it's rather painless.  I did a full install of 2.2-current
: :): over our T3 the other day and it only took about 15-20 mins.  :-)
: 
: :)So for a 384k...?
: 
: Dunno.  If your 384 isn't heavily loaded, it shouldn't take much
: longer.

So it might vary with time of day...or if I had the news feed shut off.

: 
: :): :)2.1.5 first if 2.1.6 is coming).How long would I have to take my
: :): :)ISP down to go to 2.1.6,and get it in shape to honor the 9-12 character
: :): :)IDs enabled by a kernel recompile for my 2.1??And what would I actually
: :): :)gain by so doing?
: :): 
: :): If you take your entire site down to do that upgrade you're not
: :): doing it right.  A 486-120 is cheap.  Get a spare one and install
: :): the new OS on the spare machine.  Then, a simple dump/restore
: :): cycle with some minor fiddling should be all you need to do.
: 
: :)I have two of them,news and main.Would do them one at a time.
: 
: It's your neck.  :-)
: 
: :)News is a backup radius server,so PPP customers could be authenticated
: :)while main was busy upgrading,but shell customers and mail would be
: :)out for that time.
: 
: You've just finished telling us that your news server can't keep
: up.  Why are you running other services on it that you could put
: on your other box?

That's about the only other thing running on news...my news box is
much less multi-tasked than Drew's,for example.

: Running an ISP on a pair of 486 boxes seems somewhat silly given
: how ridiculously cheap Pentium and Pentium Pro boxes have become.

I've planned all along to move to 6x86es when I got the money.

: When you originally cornered me at Unix Expo last year and asked
: me what hardware to use, you told me that you already purchased
: 486 boxes.  At that time I said if you were already stuck with
: them to get a lot of memory and the fastest disk controllers and
: disks you could afford.  Obviously, what you got isn't fast 
: enough. 

is 48 MB insufficient memory?What would going to 64 on either box do?
(just got an error message today on lack of awap space on main).

: If you're getting messages from your provider saying
: that articles are being flushed from your queue, that means
: your customers are missing a LOT of articles.  It really isn't
: possible to run an ISP on a shoestring anymore.  If you want
: to play the game, you really will need to pony up some $$$ and
: buy the necessary hardware to get the job done.  Last I checked,
: a Pentium Pro 200mhz box with 64mb of fast page mode RAM could
: be had for about $1500.  With the exception of your disk controller,
: you should be able to recycle the rest of your hardware.  While
: you're at it, pick up a pair of Buslogic 946's or 948's and split
: your disks among them.  That should go a long way towards fixing
: your hardware problems.  
: 
: There was a time where anyone with a 486 and a 56k could call themselves
: an ISP.  Those days are gone.  
: 
: Good luck.

I started with a pair of the fastest 486es and a 384k.
I'd like to be breaking even before I add!

: :): :)For a got-to-stay-up business like an ISP,it might be better to wait
: :): :)for a 2.2.x after 2.2R gets its bug reports dealt with...I guess
: :): :)the first such release is at least 9 months off.
: :): 
: :): It might even be better to use BSDI.  (ducking)
: :): 
: :): :)(64-bit 3.x is presumably years away still).
: :): 
: :): I guess you'll need to upgrade to something other than your
: :): 486-120's then.  :-)
: 
: :)Well,yes.
: 
: You'd probably be better off upgrading sooner rather than later.
: Our P166 boxes aren't having any problems keeping up.  :)

I was just over at the Cyrix price-your-own page,they don't have a
FreeBSD option under OS(nor a no-OS),but certainly 6x86-P200+ boxes
seem quite cheap now.I would be swapping the motherboard and CPU
into my big file server cases,farming the 486-120 out to some other
function on the LAN(pure-WWW,backup radius,backup DNS?) and relocating
some RAM.

Would use an multiple controllers if I added any disks to news
(might be an idea to dedicate a 2GB SCSI to comp,rec,sci,soc).