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From: "Richard T. Robino" <rrobino@synergy.net>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: FreeBSD & XFree86 on ThinkPad
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 00:16:56 -0600
Organization: Synergy Communications, Inc.
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Nate Williams wrote:
> 
> In article <52q926$q78@scream.auckland.ac.nz>,
> Peter Dobcsanyi <P.Dobcsanyi@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> >Dear *,
> >
> >I am planning to buy an IBM ThinkPad 365X notebook computer (Pentium
> >100, 16Mbyte RAM, SVGA dual-scan). What are my chances to install
> >FreeBSD / Linux and XFree86 on it?


*** lengthy post, sorry ***
I am in the middle of finding/installing some decent implementation of unix on my 
older Thinkpad and have been working on getting linux up on mine for about a 
week. I am having a difficult time with RedHat Linux, and although I am going to 
do an install of FreeBSD from the hard disk this weekend, I suspect I will have 
the same problem with it. I am looking for a hand-hold specific to Thinkpads 
myself, but here are some relevant lessons I have learned that you might benefit 
from:

in regards to Nate's post:
>
> FreeBSD should work find it.  Older Thinkpad's have some problems, but your
> 365 should work fine.
1. If the new Thinkpads are like the old ones in this respect: disk geometry, 
find out from IBM exactly what the heads, cylinders, and sectors per track are 
_before_ installing - it may save you making a root disk. For my thinkpad (701cs, 
24/720, DX475), IBM didn't even know this fact. A support technician and I did 
some math and guessed that we could extrapolate linearly for these parameters 
from the information he did have for the 360MB drive. That alone has not solved 
my problem (I don't know what my problem is). If this is not an issue with the 
"new" thinkpads you are VERY fortunate. Apparently, it is not a BIOS thing with 
thinkpads, its a CMOS thing - just what I've read. The reason I even got turned 
on to FreeBSD in the first place is I noticed that they had a DOS executable to 
help figure your geometry out - I haven't tried it yet though.

> >I also would like to have a PC card Ethernet+Modem, what model should I
> >buy?

2. Hard drive installs are the easiest for those of us without a local CD drive 
(no mention of one on your future system), IMHO, and as far as PCMCIA cards go 
(again, IMO), you would do better to get a 3com ethernet card to FTP the files 
during a DOS session, or simply install using ftp as the medium. As Nate stated, 
and from other posts I have read in this group 3com seems to work well for 
FreeBSD - it worked no problem with RHL too.
 
Unless you plan to dowload the individual FreeBSD files via modem and install 
from floppies (can you imagine?!) you should definitely invest in one. You may 
miss some crucial packages during an FTP install (cf. "Package problems... 
thread). I have not had success trying to use the pc card cd rom images (RHL) to 
install, but ethernet did work fine. Again, freebsd's installer may work much 
better with pc cards for installation. If you don't have an ethernet connection 
to the net, check with your ISP about a one-time, 
buy-the-sysadmin-lunch-on-a-Saturday, ethernet d/l. I would do it ;)

3. To save *some* space here, I will end with a recommendation of a few websites. 
They are for linux mostly, but you mayl find them helpful in some regards as 
there is a dearth of info on unix for thinkpads. Try:
http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/laptop/
http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html

Sorry, I haven't had as much time with the freebsd site to find thinkpad specific 
info. Speaking of which, please do not flame me for chiming in here and not 
actually knowing anything about freebsd myself. I'm not a platform bigot and I do 
respect the fact that this group has alot of very knowledgable people and I am 
not very qualified to post here, but I know what it's like looking for *any* 
thinkpad info. Hope my two cents helps you out.

So, if anyone would like to help me get going with freebsd on my thinkpad, I'm 
all ears. It sounds good, Ive always like bsd flavored unix and admired its 
innovations. The only point I even wonder about (I have been reading posts here 
for a few days) is freebsd's security - how is it? Compared to vanilla (oxymoron, 
I know) linux? Install help (specific) and just a word on security is all I 
need...

If anyone responds, please email me at rrobino@synergy.net as I need to do some 
major work on our news server starting tomorrow and I know we will be missing 
some feeds. TIA.

Rick

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Rick Robino
Synergy Communications, Inc.
rrobino@synergy.net