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From: cbbrowne@wolfe.brownes.org (Christopher B. Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.infosystems.www.misc
Subject: Re: Unix too slow for a Web server?
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:29:09 -0500
Organization: UniComp Technologies International Corp -- Internet Service
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In article <324E80B3.21F4@www.play-hookey.com>, Ken Bigelow wrote:
>> Knews let's you click on any URL and launch Netscape (if it's not
>> already done) with this url. It's also fully threaded, display inline
>> MIME images, support kill/hot files, etc ...
>> 
>> http://www.nada.kth.se/~su95-kjo/knews.html
>
>Which still means two applications running where one will do the job.

One should be more precise.

It means using two applications that are designed to do the individual tasks
well, as opposed to one that isn't.

The "MS-DOS way" in the bad old days of single-tasking was that applications
were steadily growing in size and complexity.  You'd have "integrated
suites" like Lotus Symphony and MS-Works.

The individual components were typically pretty shoddy.  You'd have one part
that was designed well, and the others that were designed around the one.
(Symphony is an ideal case in point; it was a decent spreadsheet package.
*Horrible* wordprocessor.)

In a multiuser, multitasking environment, the appropriate design philosophy
is to build independent component applications as well as possible, and
build good interfaces between those components.  

Examples of this in the UNIX environment would be:
- Using Elm/MH/Pine for managing news.  They designed with that in mind;
they're not hacked web browsers, or hacked news readers.

- Using slrn/tin/trn/nn/Knews for reading news.  They were designed to do
that job well.  There are disagreements as to which is best; to each their
own.  Far better at managing news than Netscape is ever likely to be.

- Using Mosaic/Lynx/Netscape/Grail for browsing the web.  They're not hacked
newsreaders; they don't *make* good newsreaders.  I'm not just saying that;
HTTP != NNTP in fundamental ways.

Netscape Navigator can let you read news.  There are some *bad* bugs.  See
recent discussions in news.software.nntp.  Netscape is trying to figure out
how to grapple with the fundamental problems.  And NNTP server software
writers are in the process of creating patches that deny access to the
bugged versions of Netscape Navigator, and other news readers that open NNTP
connections in a promiscuous fashion.  (e.g. - Opening *many* simultaneous
NNTP connections, and/or one per article read, and/or dropping connections
without attempting to clean them up.) 

Do you use wordprocessor macros to run your business' POS system?  Why then
should you use a web browser to read news, or assume that that's the best
idea?
-- 
Christopher B. Browne, cbbrowne@unicomp.net, chris_browne@sdt.com
Web: http://www.conline.com/~cbbrowne  SAP Basis Consultant, UNIX Guy
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