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From: per.fogelstrom@mailbox.swipnet.se (Per Fogelström)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
Subject: Re: List of OpenBSD changes
Date: 18 Aug 1996 08:49:43 GMT
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In article <el2afvvutpu.fsf@zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU>, 
mycroft@zygorthian-space-raiders.mit.eduš says...
>
>
>per.fogelstrom@mailbox.swipnet.se (Per Fogelström) writes:
>
>> 
>> My choise to work with OpenBSD is not because i dislike anything. Reason 
is
>> that i like the way things are provided and the support and help i get 
from
>> Theo and the rest of the people working with it. Iv'e been pissed of by 
>> NetBSD people, so what! I helped them with stuff they asked for anyway. 
What 
>> would I gain from being rude.
>> 
>> You know, one of the first thing that happened when i started to play 
around 
>> with NetBSD several years ago was that i was accused of having insulted 
>> people on the mailing list! And you know why? Because i told a story 
about
>> how i did a port of NetBSD to my homebuilt Mips R3081 board! Get It!!
>
>So, because one random person (who has, to my knowledge, never been
>named), who happened to be reading port-pmax, sent you that rather

So why should i hang him out? I could give out his name but to what avail? 

>bizarre piece of email, you've decided to use it as an argument
>against the NetBSD community?  Perhaps you forget, but I just reread
>the thread, and everyone else seems to have thought it was quite
>bizarre, and even defended you.

What am i using as an argument *against*? I thought I was very clear about
that i'm not *against* anything. Read the first line of the quote of my
first message. I was just giving an example of what one could expect from
posting to the lists. If i had to judge a whole community from what one
person did or said most of the things in this world would be bad. 

And yes, your'e right, i was defended by NetBSD people, thank you. On the
other hand iv'e been indirectly called "things" by NetBSD people because i
work with OpenBSD. But again why would that make *NetBSD* bad. It makes the
*person* saying such things bad.

My reasons for working with OpenBSD is *not* because i dislike or am against
something. NetBSD in particular.

>I am also rather seriously disappointed that you have implied that you
>didn't get `help' from the NetBSD community.  I believe the mailing
>list archives say differently.
>
You people really read in much into a text that isn't there. I never said
that i never got any help from NetBSD community. I never said that NetBSD
people are bad people, have i? (Except those who *do* or *say* bad things)
I *only* said that i *like* the way i can work with the OpenBSD community. 
Because i choose one flavour of icecream it dosen't mean that all the others
are bad. Does it?

>In addition, I personally created an account for you last September
>(very shortly after being told that you were ready to commit the
>`pica' port, and after you sent me passwd information), and then, even
>after occasional queries, we heard nothing significant about
>integrating the port until *much* later.

Soo? Noone asked for it. It had to be cleaned up. You wanted someone to look
it over before it was integrated (so should i interpret *that* as my work
was not good enough for you, or what? (sic)). I didn't kow who should do 
that so i dropped it for the moment. UNTIL Jonathan asked me about it and i
sent the code to him so he could take it and put it in. My time was limited
and i was busy with many other things, but even so, we discussed several
things about how to integrate it. So what's your point? That i didn't do
things your way?

>
>I'm not sure how you came to dislike NetBSD,
>
Not sure? Yeah, i can belive that since you have to invent the reasons too.
Read what i write, not what *you* think i write. I have never come to 
dislike *NetBSD* for any reason. On the contrary I have always helped people 
especially Jonathan and Manuel when they have asked. So don't put words in 
my mounth. Thank You.

>but certainly none of what you've said here so far seems reasonable.

Correction: None of what you said i said seems resonable...