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From: knaff@choiseul.inrialpes.fr (Alain Knaff)
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Subject: Re: Why to not buy Matrox Millennium
Date: 6 Aug 1996 15:42:10 GMT
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In <4u7hv4$jcd@agate.nbnet.nb.ca>, Lance Cavener <cavenerl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
:On stardate Tue, 6 Aug 1996 02:31:22 GMT, stephenk@netcom.com (Stephen
:Knilans) sent holographic email and wrote:
:
:>In article <32023A5E.7623@alaska.net> hmmm <hmmm@alaska.net> writes:
:>>> >information, I suggest no one interested in running a free Unix system
:>>> >buy their products.
:>>> 
:>>> I perfectly understand Matrox's decision not to give away details on
:>>> their cards and programming interface. They are afraid of reverse
:>>> engineering - as are many of the pc card vendors - did you ever care to
:
:>I have reverse engineered software AND hardware!  BELIEVE me, you DON'T 
:>need software to reverse engineer hardware!  Look at wozniak!  HE decided 
:>to get an IBM controller so he COULD cheat, but he DIDN'T!  He had problems 
:>with HIS, and found that his did MORE than the IBM one!  SO, using info from
:>both, he designed what came to be known as "the woz machine"!  He just looked
:>at the board!   
:
: Well good for you. You know how to remove chips. I buy products for
:the QUALITY not to see if I can reverse engeneer it or screw it all
:up.

 The point is that Matrox users _have_ to reverse engineer cards if
they want to use them, because no proper documentation is available.

: And Matrox makes the best/fastest cards, and they last long: thats

 They may be the best, but they are pretty useless until they are
properly documented.

:all that counts. Who gives a shit if you don't have full schematics of
:their cards?

 Nice strawman. Nobody is asking for schematics.

: Its THEIR choice weither or not to give out details - its

 And its OUR choice not to buy their products, and to warn fellow
consumers about their cards.

:the same issue as source code, if you buy Mortal Combat 10, should you
:be entitled to the source too? No. There you go.

 But playing instructions would be nice (and are usually included).

: I don't know about
:you people, but up here in Canada, not giving out schematics is
:perfectly legal.

 That's not the point.

-- 
 Linux - Why use Windows, since there is a door?

 Alain