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From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: TCP latency
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Date: 15 Jul 1996 21:55:44 GMT
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: (Note that i personally don't have a problem with seeing more than one
: Linux distribution, but i do have a problem with Larry McVoy not
: allowing us to have more than one *BSD distribution.)

Wow, I didn't realize that the BSD crowd felt they had to ask my 
permission - that's cool, I'll have to start using all that power :-)

Actually, it's not distributuions that I care about, it's kernel level
source trees.  The Unix world has fragmented to the point that there
are several standards bodies that do nothing but try (unsuccessfully)
to hold it all together.  

Step back and look at Unix from Microsoft's perspective, or the customer's
perspective.  We look like a bunch of squabbling kids - this thread is
a great example.  If Unix, say 5 years ago, had converged to one source
base, to the point that the default installation on every hardware
platform was identical (same apps, same window manager, same look and
feel, same system calls), then Unix would have stood a chance of being
the Windows/NT of today.  As it stands, the customers hate Unix, and
are doing everything they can to migrate off of it.

It's a wild ass shot, but the reason I push Linux over BSD is that Linux is
the mostly likely Unix, in my opinion, to be identical on every platform.
I used to think that NetBSD was the right answer, but the personalities of
the people there suggested to me that it was unlikely to attract a large
following.

I do not think that Linux is superior in every way to *BSD, in fact, I am
constantly beating on Linus to make things better.  But I strongly believe
that the Linux development process is better than any of the BSD processes,
that Linus does a better job of keeping Linux from fragmenting than the 
BSD camps (there's only one Linux kernel source tree, and there are at least 
4 BSD ones, with no signs of convergence).

I do think that there will be a day where Linux is better or as good as 
*BSD in every aspect.  And I believe that Linux will be far more detached
from the politics and personalities that are so pervasive in the BSD world.

I think, if you care, that the big problem with the BSD world, to quote
Bill Fisher of SGI, is "everyone wants to drive the big red firetruck".
Since the BSD folks couldn't agree on a driver, they now have several,
somewhat smaller firetrucks.  Linux still has one driver, Linus, and
everyone seems quite happy to let him drive.  I like that.
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Larry McVoy     lm@sgi.com     http://reality.sgi.com/lm     (415) 933-1804