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From: "John S. Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: TCP latency
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:22:31 -0500
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Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> In article <31E80ACA.167EB0E7@dyson.iquest.net>,
> John S. Dyson <toor@dyson.iquest.net> wrote:
> >Larry McVoy wrote:
> >
> >> It's kind of fun to contrast this with the Linux crowd:
> >>
> >> BSD guys:  "your benchmark sucks!  your numbers are wrong!  you mislead the
> >>             world!  you suck!  whine!"
> >>
> >> Linux guys: "Hey Larry, the null syscall benchmark is busted because we can
> >>              do a null syscall in about 1 usec.  You need to change it so
> >>              it times in nanoseconds".
> >
> >I think that was a kind-of cute situation.  We decided NOT
> >to special case the syscall that Larry uses for the
> >null-syscall case.
> 
> John, John, John, calm down.
> 
> You are suggesting above that YOU did not special case the system call
> that Larry uses in lmbench, and by implication you are claiming Linux
> does. Very subtly done, but
> 
We could have special cased it to make the benchmark look better, but
we did not.  We have looked at it carefully, and it has little impact
on real-world performance.  Historically, a NULL syscall is not
a write to /dev/null...  That is what the benchmark is, and simply
it is NOT IMPORTANT.

>
>         YOU'RE LYING
>
Look, jerk, you are continuing your
stupid, infantile attack on me and FreeBSD.  I really don't care about
what you think.  Secondly yours is the only response that made this
allegation like you have.  YOU ARE ALONE...

Linus, you are an arrogant, self-righteous a**hole...  If I acted as stupid
as you, I would also be as embarrased as you should be.  I DEMAND
a public apology.  You are the one that has been continuing to making
incorrect conclusions about benchmark results.  I haven't made any,
but I am willing to give analysis of what is going on.  Are you a
car salesman or something?

Anyone working in the real world would see what you are doing as
EXTREMELY UNETHICAL behavior.

>
> Check out the facts before you post. Linux simply _is_ that fast. If we
> beat you on system call latency (and I have to admit that I haven't even
> looked at the FreeBSD numbers, so I'm just assuming that from your post
> above), it's simply because Linux is faster. Not because we "special
> case" anything at all. Why can't you accept simple facts?
> 
With the above statement, I charge you with public unethical behaviour. 
Please apologize.  Thank you.

> 
> You're almost as bad as MS in spreading FUD and misinformation. Why the
> hell can't you just accept that somebody else is better at something? Or
> are you claiming that your system call latency is better than Linux
> under load?
>
Speaking of misinformation, apologize to me publically for your
allegation, because it is wrong.

Now, Linus, your above statement about me LYING is disgusting.
I was NOT lying, and you yourself know it.  You are acting like a
real jerk. I know that you know that I AM NOT a LIAR,
therefore your comment is a serious case of abusing your public
position.

You have lost all credibility and I fully expect some followups
even from the Linux community.  I sure hope that this mail was
forged, because you have taken your lofty position and destroyed
it.

I DEMAND A PUBLIC RETRACTION.  ADDITIONALLY, I DEMAND A FORMAL
WRITTEN APOLOGY or PROOF OF A FORGED USENET POSTING.  If you don't
it will be a further demonstration of your ill-will, condescending
behavior, or mean spiritedness. 


John