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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!fido.asd.sgi.com!neteng!lm From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: TCP latency Followup-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 13 Jul 1996 07:39:57 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4s7jsd$blf@fido.asd.sgi.com> References: <4paedl$4bm@engnews2.eng.sun.com> <4pf7f9$bsf@white.twinsun.com> <4rql4p$39f@innocence.interface-business.de> <4rrimn$dro@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E16DB5.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> <4rtvpf$7e5@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E73BCA.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: neteng.engr.sgi.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.networking:45048 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:4015 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:23419 Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@FreeBSD.org) wrote: : Larry McVoy wrote: : > But given that the effect is only felt in exec and that exec is only : > used for the process benchmarks, I fail to see why this was perceived : > as such a big deal. I've included the results that I published in the : > Usenix paper - please note that the FreeBSD machine was a 133Mhz P5 and : > the Linux machine was 120Mhz P5. It's pretty lame of the FreeBSD crowd : > to be saying I stacked the deck when the Linux box was slower hardware. : Now Larry, at least try to be honest here.. You had TWO machines in : your Linux results, a P5 and a P6. I was there, and it was the P6 : numbers for Linux you crowed about most triumphantly, comparing them to : the numbers for the P5/133 FreeBSD box more than once. The P6 numbers were there to compare to Alphas, Ultras, and R10Ks, and Linux was seen to be pretty nice in comparison to the vendor OS's. I included P5/Linux numbers so that there would be a fair comparison made between P5/Linux and P5/BSD. If I had P6/BSD numbers, I would have included them. I didn't have them. Still don't, in fact. : I also noticed : that the P5/120 numbers were given somewhat rather less attention in : your speech, and when you really started going on about those P6 numbers : and how they blew all the other PC benchmarks away (something you : attributed rather bald-facedly to Linux rather than the hardware), the : groans of disgust from the FreeBSD section were audible all the way in : the back. I was scarcely the only one there who got the strong : impression you were deliberately and knowingly stacking the deck. Man, oh, man. So what makes you think that you are important enough that I'd write a benchmark suite (no small task), then collect a bunch of data, then write paper, all with the goal of making the *BSD camps look stupid? Seems like y'all are doing just fine without my help. -- --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804