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From: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk (Brian Somers)
Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages
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Date: 8 Jul 1996 14:03:24 +0100
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John F Hall (jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <4rjrkt$ih@anorak.coverform.lan>,
: Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: >Hey ?  I'm not talking about dividing anything.

: Hmmm, are you then totally incompetent, not even capable of understanding
: your own articles?

I must be.  Explain this "dividing" please.  I am obviously not operating
at the same competence level as you are.

: >Oh give me a break.  Haven't you heard of the web ?

: Yes, so what?  Haven't *you* heard of the other Internet applications?

So what do you think.... since the internet was publicised, lots of
non-technical people have access.  What are they going to do.  Understand
logging in as "anonymous", asking "archie", using telnet, gopher ....
I wonder what they use ?  I wonder what percentage un-technical there
are on the internet as compared with technical ?

I *really* hate to bicker, but IMO, "techies" vs "users" is a very
small number these days.

: >Does anyone know what percentage of Demon customers use the web ?

: Yes, Demon do.

Thanks for answering that.... real helpful....

: >Just about every interesting site is in, or points some links to the
: >States.

: So what?

So people follow links....

: >: Don't you think Demon have *measured* the traffic on each route?
: >
: >No I don't.  If they have, why is the throughput lousy ?

: Because, as has been explained, the Internet links in the US and the
: popular sites are overloaded.

Well, the whole point of this discussion is that *I* don't think that
it's the US.  I think it's the demon->US bandwidth.

: >: >We at Demon have only *one* route to the states.
: >
: >: That's wrong too.
: >
: >I mean "one route in use".  If RIP starts routing stuff some other way,
: >(say through UKNET - or is it UUNET?) and not through Demons direct
: >connection, that'd just reinforce what I've been saying.

: Still wrong.  That's been corrected by several people.  So why are you
: repeating such nonsense.  Demon have *several* direct connections of
: their own.

Right.... so..... if we add the bandwidths of the lines, we have one
line....  I'm talking virtual.  We're all routing through one router
- at least everyone I know on demon connects to demon-du.demon.co.uk.

: >1994 was when things started downhill.  1995 was bottom.
: >1996 looks promising.

: It isn't only Demon that grown explosively in the last two years.  So
: has the traffic in the US.  Demon has had it's bottlenecks from time to
: time, but now seems on top of them.  However that doesn't mean that
: there won't be bottlenecks elsewhere.

Ok, I agree with this, there are bottlenecks outside of demon, but I
think that the whole UK-US thing is almost completely Demons fault.
I believe something along the lines of 1994 = "internet boom", 1995
= "Demon: oh dear, we cannae cope captn".  Only now is Demon catching
up with demand.

--
Brian <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>
Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour....