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From: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk (Brian Somers)
Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages
Followup-To: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: 5 Jul 1996 14:49:49 -0500
Organization: Coverform Ltd.
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John F Hall (jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <4rcr6v$dh@anorak.coverform.lan>,
: Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: >So, what you're saying is that demon - who recently were applying for
: >another class B address space (about 65000 users currently?) have decided
: >in their infinite wisdom to invest in a T3?  Well, bully for them.  Let's
: >see, 45,000,000 bits / 65,000 users = 692 *bits* each.  Woooooffff !
: >I'll get out there and start my 86 byte/sec download now !  Ok, maybe
: >that's a bit unfair.  They havn't got the capacity to have everyone
: >connected at once.  Let's say they allow 6000 of us in at once, what's
: >that, about 937 bytes per second ?  In fact, this *wonderful* T3 will
: >allow a staggering 1607 28.8k users to get max throughput.  I'd better
: >rush home and get in there first.

: What a load of twaddle!  Don't you think it would be better to divide
: the the number of Demon *modems*, not the number of *users* - I don't
: think the users not logged in use all that much bandwidth.

Hey ?  I'm not talking about dividing anything.  I'm saying that Demon
should be multiplying what they're offering - in line with their
increased income due to increased subscription.  When I joined Demon,
it was practical to download things directly from the States.

: Secondly only a minority of users want to connect to the US - that might
: be *your* preference, but others have other priorities, some read news,
: some log into University accounts, some email to their branch offices,
: etc.  There are *other* routes out of Demon, why base all your
: calculations on one and ignore the others?

Oh give me a break.  Haven't you heard of the web ?  Does anyone know
what percentage of Demon customers use the web ?  Just about every
interesting site is in, or points some links to the States.

:                                             Don't you think Demon have
: *measured* the traffic on each route?

No I don't.  If they have, why is the throughput lousy ?

: >We at Demon have only *one* route to the states.

: That's wrong too.

I mean "one route in use".  If RIP starts routing stuff some other way,
(say through UKNET - or is it UUNET?) and not through Demons direct
connection, that'd just reinforce what I've been saying.

: >It should have been a T3 by mid 1994.

: And that.

Well qualified.  1994 was when things started downhill.  1995 was bottom.
1996 looks promising.

: -- 
: John F Hall     jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk    CompuServe: 100016,1210

--
Brian <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>
Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour....