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From: deraadt@theos.com (Theo de Raadt)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
Subject: Re: followup from censored port-i386@Netbsd.ORG
Date: 04 Jul 1996 05:58:28 GMT
Organization: Theo Ports Kernels For Fun And Profit, Inc.
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In-reply-to: tls@panix.com's message of 3 Jul 1996 19:26:45 -0400

In article <4revjl$fva@panix2.panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:
	   A) Theo was asked to sign a "NetBSD developer's agreement" in order
	      to get CVS access to the source tree.  I don't know what the
	      exact chronological order was, but it was mentioned to a number
	      of other NetBSD developers and prospective NetBSD developers that
	      when such a document had been written, they'd need to sign it as
	      well.  In fact, for several months *nobody* got new NetBSD
	      developers' accounts because it took so long to get the agreement
	      written; this was inconvenient for everyone involved.

		   1) *NOBODY* new got access to the source tree while the
		      agreement was being written.  Not Theo, not John Kohl,
		      not any of the other people who were waiting.

This is false: at least two people got access during that time.  I
believe you will find two or three chunks in coremail talking about
this, I complained about this.  I think I was told this would be
looked at and fixed; it was not.

I think those people were neil and matt.

(I have not read coremail myself for a while.. why bother, I've got better
things to do, like improve OpenBSD.)

I also bet you that other people got accounts during the period when
OpenBSD was formed, and the winter Usenix.

Hmmmm... I think chuck?

So, just how many people did get accounts without needing to sign such a
document?

	   B) The agreement wasn't ready until the winter Usenix, or just before;
	      JT produced a nicely formatted sample of such, with a good deal
	      of fanfare, in the brewpub we were all at one night.  A few people
	      signed it and got new developers' accounts; I *know* that it was
	      mentioned that everyone would probably need to sign it eventually,
	      but I have a fairly clear memory that JT only had two or three
	      copies with him at the time, which certainly didn't make it
	      practical to do it then and there.

I'd love to see this document which I was told to wait months and months
for.  Not even my bank or government are as slow at producing documents.

   But that agreement didn't even _exist_ before that, and Greg wasn't there,
   so I'm not surprised that he doesn't know about it.  I am not one to attribute
   to malice what can reasonably be attributed to accident; I suspect that nobody
   in core has had the free time to chase down the owners of all of the existing
   developers' accounts and get them to sign it.

Who hasn't signed it yet?
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