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From: Ken Bigelow <kbigelow@www.play-hookey.com>
Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:59:54 -0700
Organization: Erols Internet Services
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Andy Hawkins wrote:
> 
> In article <31D42221.58C3@www.play-hookey.com>,
>            Ken Bigelow<kbigelow@www.play-hookey.com> wrote:
> >The problem with that idea is that a Web page is not a single file. The
> >main HTML document is (usually) not that big, and consists entirely of
> >ASCII text.
> 
> That's not the point (AIUI). This service would be useful for places that
> only offer binaries on web pages, not on an ftp server. In general, the
> delay waiting for a page to load is not to bad, but when you're trying to
> download a 2Mb zip file that isn't on an ftp server at 200 bytes/sec, then
> you could be there a while.
> 
> If you could request this using some batch http service then you wouldn't
> have to sit online waiting.

True enough. However, I submit that anyone offering such binaries *only* via 
http is subverting the whole purpose of http. Please recall that "http" means 
"HyperText Transport Protocol." Its whole purpose is for Web pages.

It is not reasonable to ask that the whole operation of http be changed just 
because a few people cannot or will not allow ftp access to those few files 
they want to make available.

If you have a connection limited to 200 b/s, why not make the connection, start 
the download, and then go to bed? Most dialers (Trumpet Winsock, the user PPP 
program in FreeBSD, etc.) can have an inactivity timeout so that the connection 
will shut down 5 minutes (or whatever) after the transfer ends, so connection 
time should not be a problem.

I'm not saying a reget capability wouldn't be handy in these circumstances, but 
I think the demand is so slight that there is no serious call to make the 
change. Certainly I wouldn't care to upsize my own httpd server that way -- but 
then I don't have any files to download from here, and don't intend to.

Ken