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Xref: sserve comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34353 comp.unix.bsd:7092 Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.unix.bsd Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!uunet!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!hasty From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Subject: Re: Question on Diamond Clock Synthesizer Message-ID: <1992Oct25.222947.6164@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1992Oct24.181837.19994@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <1992Oct25.034615.5298@netcom.com> <1992Oct25.101257.13662@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 22:29:47 GMT Lines: 150 In article <1992Oct25.101257.13662@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell) writes: >Amanic Hasty Jr writes: > >>I can give you a solid example of why I don't want the >>diamond stealth: without the ability to set the dot clock >>an X server is pretty much useless. People should know >>his, specially when they spend $300 (US) for the card. > >See you missed the whole point. You seem to build up a moral >which is inconsequent. On the one hand you cry: 'hey the don't >give me all the details', and the other hand you simply ignore >this fact on other things. You cannot do this. You cannot act like >a candle in the wind, moving in a direction just as it satisfies >your needs. I don't cry I can't use the little Diamond Stealth nor can't the public domain set custom modes. > >I know that the Diamond behaviour is pretty ugly for UNIX PD people. >But I think it's even worse that these UNIX PD guys can only think >in there own terms and ignore (and forget) motivations and reasons >of other peoples. He that's what fascism is all about ! I truely do >believe that we all have to accept Diamonds acting. We can tell them >that we do think that's it's in our oppinion not ok. But they way >people accuse Diamond on the net is definitively NOT ok. And I really >feel that they way people like you are acting on the net regarding >this topic is even more discusting. > I guess that Diamond and you subscribe to the good business practice that if a product does not suite your needs that people shall acceptV|?b this and not tell anyone. >>I do think that the net is doing a favor to Diamond by attempting >>to solve Diamond's stupid policy. > >Who do you think you are ? God ? The only one who knows the truth ? >Why can't you simply accept it ? Why do you think you are doing them a >favour ? Because if someone can come up with a solution in th public arena they can sell their cards into +500000 installations. They have choosen this policy for a good reason (maybe a >Diamond representative could finally tell me the whole story, but till >them we all just can speculate), why do you think they want to change >it ? Because Diamond decided it is their good policy it means that it is a good policy for all us. I spoke to Diamond they couldn't tell me nor to you. I am amazed that you can state or hint that is a good policy. >For perhaps 100 more sold cards and 1000 more problems ? I spoke to Diamond and so did another group . The other group based upon e-mail responses estimated that diamond would loose at least +7000 units due to their policify. So please don't quote misleading figures in the net. Your "1000 more problems", I guess that your are the only one who can program or maybe a selected few which obviously you are one. > >>I simply took my Stealth >>back and got myself a couple of cards that I could program >>without a lot of hazzles from the vendors. > >Well I still keep my DS24X and really love it ... It's greate for DOS >games. I am glad that you can play games with your card under DOS. > >>Roell, tnks for your code! A few of us are capable of >>either getting the algorithm or writing the code. No, >>I am not going to do it because I am not interested in >>helping Diamond. > >Well if somebody has to patch server/dix to get his server/ddx/* layer >to work, them I have seriousely doubts. All code is sacred and should not be change. Yours is the only way. OH, Roell please sell us your ways! Don't worry I am going to publish my xbench results and this is only the beginning. > >>And for the matter of hackers burning up their equipment >>thats up to them after all they purchase it. > >You make it yourself to easy. Let's say you finally come up with a >working S3 server (which passes x11perf, xbench & the XTEST suite) >that supports the Diamond Stealth. Then you will put in there a >copyright notice (derived from the X11R5 tape) that say something >like that: > >AMANCIO DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE, >INCLUDING >ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO EVENT >SHALL >AMANCIO BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES >OR >ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, >WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, >ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS >SOFTWARE. > >That keeps you free from any liabilities. But what if one of your >users kills his card by using your code ? What will he do ? He will >go to the shop where he bought the Stealth and return it in exchange >for a new one. This would cost Diamond's money. Did you ever think of >that ? > So you and a selected few are the only ones who can write software and be able to inspect a card. Glad to hear it. You are assuming that I am the one who is going to write software for Diamond. Again, I am not interested. >>Lastly, I am not benefiting from my work in any financial way, >>and I am not going follow this thread any more, I am go >>to keep hacking on my S3 cards. > >Ah, if somebody don't share my oppinion, I'm just not listen to him >anyway. Is that what you are telling us here ? If that's true I can >only say: 'poor personality'. When you call people "dumb hackers", "God", "Facist" you make it personal if this is due to cultural/language differences let me know, because if you make it personal and wish to attack me personally and publicly, I will know how to proceed next. > >- Thomas > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Das Reh springt hoch, e-mail: roell@sgcs.com >das Reh springt weit, #include <sys/pizza.h> >was soll es tun, es hat ja Zeit ... ?by Amancio