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From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)
Subject: Re: Question on Diamond Clock Synthesizer
In-Reply-To: hasty@netcom.com's message of Sun, 25 Oct 1992 03:46:15 GMT
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 10:12:57 GMT
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Amanic Hasty Jr writes:

>I can give you a solid example of why I don't want the
>diamond stealth: without the ability to set the dot clock
>an X server is pretty much useless. People should know
>his, specially when they spend  $300 (US) for the card.

See you missed the whole point. You seem to build up a moral
which is inconsequent. On the one hand you cry: 'hey the don't
give me all the details', and the other hand you simply ignore
this fact on other things. You cannot do this. You cannot act like
a candle in the wind, moving in a direction just as it satisfies
your needs. 

I know that the Diamond behaviour is pretty ugly for UNIX PD people. 
But I think it's even worse that these UNIX PD guys can only think
in there own terms and ignore (and forget) motivations and reasons
of other peoples. He that's what fascism is all about ! I truely do
believe that we all have to accept Diamonds acting. We can tell them
that we do think that's it's in our oppinion not ok. But they way
people accuse Diamond on the net is definitively NOT ok. And I really
feel that they way people like you are acting on the net regarding
this topic is even more discusting. 

>I do think that the net is doing a favor to Diamond by attempting
>to solve Diamond's stupid policy.

Who do you think you are ? God ? The only one who knows the truth ?
Why can't you simply accept it ? Why do you think you are doing them a
favour ? They have choosen this policy for a good reason (maybe a
Diamond representative could finally tell me the whole story, but till
them we all just can speculate), why do you think they want to change
it ? For perhaps 100 more sold cards and 1000 more problems ?

>I simply took my Stealth
>back and got myself a couple of cards that I could program
>without a lot of hazzles from the vendors.

Well I still keep my DS24X and really love it ... It's greate for DOS
games.

>Roell, tnks for your code! A few of us are capable of
>either getting the algorithm or writing the code. No,
>I am not going to do it because I am not interested in
>helping Diamond.

Well if somebody has to patch server/dix to get his server/ddx/* layer
to work, them I have seriousely doubts.

>And for the matter of hackers burning up their equipment
>thats up to them after all they purchase it.

You make it yourself to easy. Let's say you finally come up with a
working S3 server (which passes x11perf, xbench & the XTEST suite)
that supports the Diamond Stealth. Then you will put in there a
copyright notice (derived from the X11R5 tape) that say something
like that:

AMANCIO DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE,
INCLUDING
ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO EVENT
SHALL
AMANCIO BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
OR
ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS,
WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION,
ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS
SOFTWARE.

That keeps you free from any liabilities. But what if one of your
users kills his card by using your code ? What will he do ? He will
go to the shop where he bought the Stealth and return it in exchange
for a new one. This would cost Diamond's money. Did you ever think of
that ?

>Lastly, I am not benefiting from my work in any financial way,
>and I am not going follow this thread any more, I am go
>to keep hacking on my S3 cards.

Ah, if somebody don't share my oppinion, I'm just not listen to him
anyway. Is that what you are telling us here ? If that's true I can
only say: 'poor personality'.

- Thomas

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