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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!reason.cdrom.com!usenet From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.org> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,list.freebsd-questions,local.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: routed timing out my LAN card so tcp/ip seems not to work. Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 09:44:37 -0700 Organization: Walnut Creek CDROM Lines: 107 Message-ID: <31A9DBF5.446B9B3D@FreeBSD.org> References: <4o7vfb$m0h@nntp.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: time.cdrom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) To: "Chris K. Skinner" <cskinner@bml.ca> Chris K. Skinner wrote: > FreeBSD was said to fit into 700 Mbytes, but this did > not work with the default label program setups. This I need a lot more information than this - what do you mean by "default label program setups" and "did not work" in this context? I routinely install into 200MB and 300MB partitions without any difficulty whatsoever, to say nothing of larger ones. > allocated, so I multiplied that amount by 10 and > allocated 300 Mbytes for that darned part. For /var?! Uh. OK, that seems a lot of space to allocate for /var but whatever floats your boat! :-) > times and not 5. There comes a point when the install > program does not help you--it even screws up some > settings that you might have done by hand in editing Again, you're going to have to be a lot more detailed than this if any of us are to have any hope of: a) Figuring out whether this was pilot error or a genuine bug. b) If it is a bug, fixing it. > I also found that there is a huge need for better > install software for some stuff like that in the > ports/packages portion of the distribution. I How so? DETAILS, man, details! :-) > particularly needed the samba package in order to do > sharing of directories a la MS Windows for Workgroups > but found that when I had told it to install, there > was much studying of the man pages and newsgroups for I really think this one was pilot error - I've installed Samba during the install dozens of times and it's worked just great! If it did not come up "out of the box" for me I'd have continued working on the samba configuration portion of sysinstall until it did! As it stands, you're the only one who's ever complained. > Even a few words like "the config file is smb.conf and > it is located in the /stand directory and should, for But it's NOT located there. :-) Again, I'm going to write this one off as pilot error. I don't know *what* you did, but you clearly did something which cockroached the Novice install's samba configurator (and if you didn't use the Novice install then you really really should have and I have no sympathy whatsoever for you :-). > I often wonder, "if all of this stuff has been done > before by others, why could not more of it be > automated quite a bit more so that we many less UNIX It has been. There's more work to be done, surely, but this looks more like a case where you simply somehow failed where others have often succeeded with the existing toolset. > changing world of high-technology. If there is a > manual set for BSD 4.4, be sure that a new version of > BSD is right around the corner, and as soon as you've > bought your manual set, then that is when the new > release is bound to come out. Uh, what's your point here? We should all lay down and die rather than write documentation since it's all ultimately pointless anyway, or what? :-) > A couple of years back I bought a pile of X-windows > books during a computer fair. I've not opened a one > of them yet, but have found that even on the bookstore > shelves, these books appear not to have been revised > much if any from those that I bought at deep discount > in the computer fair. Because X isn't changing all that much, actually. You can't compare progress (or lack thereof) in a Window system to that of an OS, and if you do such comparative benchmarking then you're nothing more than a fool, sorry to say. > written. They'll have to grow on me, but I don't like > having to read such dry stuff from preface to index to > get what I need right away. This is too time Life is full of its bitter little disappointments. :-) I'm sorry, but a lot of this message simply comes across (whether or not you so intended it) as mere bitching and whining, not as a genuine attempt to educate or help in the solution of the problem. If this is merely your personal style and not a case of actual whining then I apologise for misinterpreting you, but I can say that whining isn't encouraged behavior around here and we already have enough of it to go around. If you want to see FreeBSD continue to improve, perhaps also broadening its appeal to people with "wish lists" similar to yours, then you have to either help or, at the minimum, take on a more helpful attitude! Finally, since I mentioned personal style, might I perhaps persuade you to shorten your posts a little? We both would appear to share a common failing of not using 10 words when 100 would do just as well, and one of us is already one too many. :-) -- - Jordan Hubbard President, FreeBSD Project