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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!serv.hinet.net!spring.edu.tw!news.ee.ntit.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!saph2.physik.uni-bonn.de!juengst From: juengst@saph1.physik.uni-bonn.de (Henry G. Juengst) Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc Subject: Re: How to delete files within C programs Date: 14 May 1996 22:36:30 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Strahlen- und Kernphysik Lines: 54 Sender: juengst@saph2.physik.uni-bonn.de (Henry G. Juengst) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4nb1tf$qv8@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <Oum-El-Kheir.Benkahla-3004961724540001@mac-ugm-3.imag.fr> <4n76vv$29j@innocence.interface-business.de> <kaleb.832080109@exalt> <4naf20$bdh@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <DrEv0E.17A@kithrup.com> Reply-To: juengst@saph1.physik.uni-bonn.de NNTP-Posting-Host: saph1.physik.uni-bonn.de Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.misc:22769 comp.unix.bsd.misc:1054 In article <DrEv0E.17A@kithrup.com>, sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >In article <4naf20$bdh@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, >Henry G. Juengst <juengst@saph1.physik.uni-bonn.de> wrote: >>You ignore that you will not find the man pages if you do not know >>these names. Just try to look for 'Wide-Char-TO-Multi-Byte' or bessel >>functions. That is the reason why it is not simple for beginners. It >>is not a problem for me. > >kithrup 1% man -k bessel >j0 (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind >j1 (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind >jn (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind >y0 (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind >y1 (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind >yn (3) - bessel functions of first and second kind > >The only thing I had to know was that "man -k" did a search for keywords, >which is not too difficult a thing to know (if you're going to be expected >to know enough to compile a program, you can be expected to know enough to >run the system's help programs, whatever they may be called). You know that you can not find the description of the "-k" option on all unixes ?! (I did know it a long time ago, because I have worked with a SYSV machine, but that's not interesting in this context.) Of course, you could argue with "apropos", which is also not available everywhere. At least you could use "search" - no, "grep". :-) I do not want to deny that it is possible to find the information (in most cases). I just want to make people sensitive for the problems of beginners and I hate answers like 'very simple solution', if it is in fact not a trivial solution. People would never ask if it is simple. If you think your solution works always you should try it with the wide character problem on a BSD system (fails in most cases) and on a SYSV (works at least on a SVR4). Trivial to say that this is also true for 'apropos'. > >But since that doesn't help prove your point, I expect you to ignore it. >Big deal. There is no reason to ignore facts. But I will ignore further comparisons with other operating systems (not only VMS) and inadequate (VMS) statements. Henry -- juengst@saph1.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.161.1] (Internet) omni:.de.uni-bonn.physik.saph1::juengst (DECnet/OSI, phase V) saph1::juengst [26.358] (DECnet, phase IV) Any opinions in this mail are my own.