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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!psgrain!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!nickkral From: nickkral@america.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ... Date: 10 May 1996 21:47:25 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Science Department, University of California at Berkeley Lines: 90 Message-ID: <4n0dhd$cff@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3188C1E2.45AE@onramp.net> <4mnsc5$6qo@sundial.sundial.net> <4mr1pk$cdi@dyson.iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: america.cs.berkeley.edu Oh, by the way, I removed comp.os.linux.misc from the newsgroup line, since your flamebait is off topic there. In article <4mr1pk$cdi@dyson.iquest.net>, John S. Dyson <root@dyson.iquest.net> wrote: >This is getting wierder and wierder. FreeBSD is a very open consortium >of developers. We have 3-5 developers actively committing to the kernel, >for example. Linux is the closed (controlled) development. Yep, Linux is closed, which is why you see hundreds of people actively hacking on the kernel, vs FreeBSD, which has much fewer. The difference is that, for good or bad, FreeBSD is more centralized, where Linux is more distributed. To many people, a more distributed development environment provides more freedom. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. >> My Adaptec AHA-2842VL (an older VLB SCSI-2 Fast Host Adapter) craps >Sounds like a broken Linux driver to me!!! Unless you have some evidence to back that up, it would be wise of you not to post such FUD (fear, uncertanty, doubt). However, if it's a broken Linux driver, than prove it. >FreeBSD is primarily a U**X clone. That means that we want to support as >many U**X platforms as possible. Hmmm, is FreeBSD available on the Alpha, 680x0, power PC, Sparc, etc? Linux is. It might be better if you said that FreeBSD wants to support as many U**X platforms on the Intel architecture as possible. The reason why no one on the Linux side has written FreeBSD support is because, quite frankly, no one is that interested in it. There has been support for the BSD UFS to be added, but until someone finds a need to run *BSD binaries, it's not likely to happen. >Actually, my latest current vs. a very recent Linux shows that we perform >about 10% faster at one of our previously worst performance numbers: fork Can you please provide the actual numbers, the testing methodology, software and hardware used, etc... so we can make an informed decision. >Yep, our IDE/ATAPI support is a little rough. That is one of the legit >problems with FreeBSD right now. Linux IDE/ATAPI support has been called one of the best around. >Actually Linux has slower buffered disk I/O, so it has the best drivers and >support??? B*LLHOCKY!!! Again, try posting some facts, like numbers, that show your position to be correct. >If you want to compare the system you must >mount the FreeBSD disks using the dangerous (like Linux) -o async option. Dangerous, huh? LOTS of people run Linux daily, and never have the problems you are describing. You are, quite frankly, full of it. >(BTW, if you try to upgrade your >a.out Linux system to a nice (but wasteful) blocksize for ext2fs -- many of >your binaries won't run.) Of course, FreeBSD with it's efficient 4K/8K/16K >blocksize can handle the binaries just fine. Again, more FUD. If you think this is true, provide examples! Otherwise, stop spreading your misinformation. I did the upgrade myself, from a Linux a.out system to a Linux ELF system, without reformating the filesystem, and had none of the problems you've described. I've never even heard of ANYONE having this problem, and I follow the Linux newsgroups pretty closely. Again, prove it. Anyway, John, you are the 9th person to followup to the original poster. You crossposted your message in an inappropriate forum, and you included deliberate flame bait. *sigh*. Well, I hope your attitude doesn't represent all FreeBSDers. Oh, one more quick question for FreeBSDers. Does FreeBSD support POSIX 1b realtime extentions yet? Is anyone working on it? This is a serious question. Take care, -- Nick Kralevich nickkral@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu