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From: "Kim G. Frei" <kimf@avs.uniras.dk>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:46:30 +0200
Organization: AVS/UNIRAS A/S
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References: <NELSON.96Apr15010553@ns.crynwr.com> <Dpz1qL.n1G@deere.com> <kevinbDqC2K2.CAH@netcom.com> <4ln60a$vg@kruuna.helsinki.fi>
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Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> In article <kevinbDqC2K2.CAH@netcom.com>,
> Kevin Brown <kevinb@netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >The ultimate key to the server market is the client market. The
> >reason for that is that there are many more instances of clients than
> >servers, and the disparity between clients and servers will continue
> >to decrease as commodity hardware becomes more powerful and as client
> >OSes continue to gain server capabilities.
>
> Halleluja! The above comment needs to be framed and handed out to UNIX
> vendors (and others too, I ahve to admit).
>
> Anybody who concentrates on the server side of things is _dead_ in the
> water when the client people come loaded for bear.
>
[snip]
> The last two vendor unixes I saw (I won't name names) both came with
> graphical tools for doing disk striping etc. NEITHER of them had any
> applications loaded at _all_, and their shell didn't even have command
> line editing on by default (This is 1996, folks, we don't need no
> steenking editing facilities!). No wonder people flock away in droves
> and hope for the "saviour" NT - at least MS has been known to put a few
> games etc with the basic distribution.
>
> Linus
Exactly! Also try to compare the pricing of OS software and especially
application software on UNIX contra Win*. It's no big surprise people
choose Win* over UNIX. It's been like this for ages and for some
strange reason the UNIX vendors *never* woke up and took a realistic
view on the world. No it was much more fun to talk standards and then
do all kinds of weird things to avoid implementing the standards. It
was also much more fun to team up in numerous little pathetic groups
trying to tell why this and that was better than what was already
there. No, leave the vapour ware to Bill and gets some decently price
*usefull* applications out there!
-kim
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