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From: brnstnd@nyu.edu (D. J. Bernstein)
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Subject: Re: Patents:  What they are.  What they aren't.  Other factors.
Message-ID: <20357.Oct1800.30.1492@virtualnews.nyu.edu>
Date: 18 Oct 92 00:30:14 GMT
References: <1992Oct9.002901.14966@netcom.com> <22808.Oct1104.20.0092@virtualnews.nyu.edu> <1992Oct11.051428.9194@netcom.com>
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In article <1992Oct11.051428.9194@netcom.com> mcgregor@netcom.com (Scott Mcgregor) writes:
> In article <22808.Oct1104.20.0092@virtualnews.nyu.edu> brnstnd@nyu.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct9.002901.14966@netcom.com> mcgregor@netcom.com (Scott Mcgregor) writes:
> >> I don't believe that you can be held to infringe LZW if you
> >> use it to encrypt data
> >Claim 1 of the Unisys LZW patent covers any system which engages in a
> >certain process. That process is LZW. If you somehow use LZW for a
> >different purpose, you will still infringe upon that patent.
> No, it says "in a data compression...system".  If you are in a process
> for making rubber, or image enhancement you are not in a "data
> compression...system" and you don't infringe.

False. If, within such a process, you use the LZW algorithm, then you
are achieving the same result as the process covered by the patent (in
the same way), so you infringe.

> >Ah. You have enough time in a week to write thousands of lines of
> >pro-software-patent rhetoric in a public forum, and you don't have
> >enough time to come up with a single example of a beneficial software
> >patent to contrast to dozens of examples of hurtful software patents.
> No, I don't have MORE time to spend on this because it isn't getting
> anywhere. As you point out I have spent considerable time so far. I've
> given considerable examples but you just don't happen to agree with
> them.

I guess I missed the examples. Come on, Scott. Give patent numbers. Give
names. If somebody other than a patent holder has been helped by
software patents, *name him*.

> Dan has
> claimed

What I have ``claimed,'' Scott, can be quoted directly. I very much
dislike your highly inaccurate paraphrases.

---Dan