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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX)
Date: 24 Apr 1996 12:56:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology - College of Computing
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In article <4lkcv6$n4j@gorgias.uchicago.edu>,
steve farrell <spfarrel@gorgias.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>i don't really agree with the idea of unix taking over the desktop.
>here's my feeling:  most people really are NOT computer-lovers.  in fact,
>computers really do suck in so many ways, and are such a pain in the
>ass for what 90% of what people use them for.  these people should
>not be using computers - they never should have.  the desktop computer
>must have had a reason for coming into being, but it obviously is not
>the best solution.  most people don't want to know about plug and play
>or about when copland comes out.  they want communicators and word
>processors and game machines and things like this.  just a simple tool
>that does whatever.  NOT a "Computer".

That's what we've all been saying. On the desktop it's all about applications.
The hardware and system software underneath is really a black box to the 
average user. They wouldn't care if the engine was three gerbils running on
a wheel as long as the job gets done.

>
>then there are other people who actually *like* computers and even work
>with them for their living and then in their free time.  these people
>should use computers, and many of them (like myself) love to use computers
>running unix.

Bad distinction IMHO. If microsoft provided me an environment I liked
to use I'd use it. But is has so many failings I simply cannot stand to
use it.

>
>i'm not sure if java and the web are right technological solution, but the
>concept i think is: have an interface that is simple to use and based on a
>metaphor like netscape navigator.  people -- either at home, in schools,
>or at the office -- have something like these java-terminals which run
>netscape 5.0 or whatever that IS their "desktop".  productivity apps are
>written in java and provided on a use-by-use basis or whatever by their
>ISP or whatever it is called in the future (probably off some FreeBSD or
>Linux box =).  these client machines don't need to be setup any more than
>a TV set, don't run an OS that does much more than allow the JVM to run &
>the io for the cable-modem.  and that's about it.

A question: what happens when the cable goes out? you now have a useless
piece of junk until the cable comes back.

The unit must be able to function standalone.

>
>90% of the people who use computers would then use these simple terminals,
>and the other 10% of us who actually like computers and like understanding
>how they work, etc, will run free Unix.  perfect world.

Nope. We still have to deal and interoperate with the other 90%.

>
>i think it's crazy to expect unix to take over the desktop.  why in
>god's name should professors of english, secretaries, doctors, CEO's,
>etc etc learn unix? 

Who said anything about learning Unix? This isn't about OS but applications.
Question: If there were a version of Microsoft Office for Free Unix and you
could get it for free how many folks would switch? Quite a few I belive.

Very few Windows users understand how the OS works. And they could care less.
We can build a simple to use Unix box with an X-based desktop. The only
problem is that we don't have the application that the doctors, CEO, and
whotnot need to do the job they want to do.

> if they like computers this much, they'd be CS ppl
>or programmers or whatever.  i don't want to be in a world with that
>many computer geeks, as much as i love them and i am one myself.  and
>who thinks this would happen, either?

So let me get this straight:

Unix = Computer Geek
Microsoft = Not Computer Geek

My wife is not a computer geek. However she uses Linux to get her work
done. How does she fit into this equation?


>
>and as far as microsoft has the desktop -- who cares, the "desktop
>computer" was a stupid idea in the first place.

Why? It's a natural phase of computer evolution. Computers are continually
getting smaller, more powerful, and cheaper. Having one on the desktop
is inevatible. 

Segregation is a bad idea. usually the minority in a segregated society gets
the short end of the stick. I see this happening here in the desktop. Any
offering that isn't Microsoft based is looked down upon. We need to be able
to interact with the 90%. All we need is the applications. We have the OS's
already.

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu