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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!cmcl2!news.nyu.edu!usenet From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: 22 Apr 1996 23:26:23 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 21 Sender: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu Message-ID: <y5ahgubr57k.fsf@graphics.cs.nyu.edu> References: <NELSON.96Apr15010553@ns.crynwr.com> <3175DBD4.167EB0E7@FreeBSD.org> <4l5f31$ijv@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> <3176D081.794BDF32@FreeBSD.org> <4la318$ah3@sidhe.memra.com> <31794DB6.7DE974DF@lambert.org> <y5aspdwo4fb.fsf@graphics.cs.nyu.edu> <317BEFB7.72D52E7@lambert.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu In-reply-to: Terry Lambert's message of Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:44:39 -0700 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:22118 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:793 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3447 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3302 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17987 comp.os.linux.advocacy:46822 Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> writes: ] David Fox wrote: ] ] ] Much of applications work tends to involve aesthetic judgement, ] ] which is something that puts off a lot of people in the systems ] ] crowd, including me. ] ] Aesthetics are a seperate problem, and usually reflects a need ] to include a graphic designer, or at least tools which generate ] code in strict conformance to style guidelines. My use of the word "aesthetics" was inadequate to my meaning. I meant stuff like usable, inspiring, inventive, and lots of other good things that applications *should* be (but hardly ever are.) To me, creating that is more challanging than the systems work I've done. But don't get me wrong, systems work is in many ways more gratifying. I do it when I need a break - its like taking off Wagner and putting on Bach. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN