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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.bhp.com.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!reason.cdrom.com!usenet From: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: 16 Apr 1996 03:05:35 -0700 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Lines: 45 Sender: jkh@time.cdrom.com Message-ID: <yfg68b0fpqo.fsf@time.cdrom.com> References: <NELSON.96Apr15010553@ns.crynwr.com> <yfgbuktfn1w.fsf@time.cdrom.com> <NELSON.96Apr15173839@ns.crynwr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: time.cdrom.com In-reply-to: nelson@ns.crynwr.com's message of 15 Apr 1996 21:38:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:21441 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:606 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3218 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3035 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17408 comp.os.linux.advocacy:45637 In article <NELSON.96Apr15173839@ns.crynwr.com> nelson@ns.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: Depends on who you think you're competing with. You're competing with Linux. I'm competing with Windows. That competition is in your mind, Russell. If anyone's been spouting rabidly competetive religious babble here, it has not been I! Right, and I think you're wasting your time. But that's because you've given up the good fight. *BSD will never amount to a hill of beans with an attitude like that. An attitude like WHAT, Russell? What's so hard to understand here? I want to keep working on my own project, a project in which I've invested 3 years of my life and in which I fundamentally believe. I refuse to believe in your religion, however, so I'm an infidel who must be scorned and insulted. Great, I commend you on your clear-headed and tolerant attitude (not!). "We can't win; let's not try." is the attitiude of a luser. I wouldn't hire you to sweep my floor, Jordan. Well, maybe *just* to sweep my floor. But I'd be sure to inspect your work afterwards. You're wrong, of course. I think we can win certain things, just not necessarily win the battles YOU want to win and or with YOUR choice of weapons. Clearly I feel that there's something here to be won (though that's not the desktop) or I wouldn't be DOING this, Russell. I also give the Linux world full credit for doing things their way and making the progress they have, such a pity that you seem constitutionally unable to grant me the same courtesy. However, I think the time for reasoning with you is long past here. You've clearly run out of meaningful things to say and have fallen to the last refuge of cheap insults and off-hand comments about how you wouldn't hire me to sweep floors, conveniently neglecting for the moment the fact that A) I'd never stoop to working for someone like you in any capacity, and B) I'm probably a lot more likely to see your resume' cross my desk than you're likely to see mine. Your childish remarks ensure that I'll be sure and file yours in the right place, should that time ever come.. :-) Jordan -- - Jordan Hubbard President, FreeBSD Project