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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!ns1.potsdam.edu!news From: nelson@ns.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: 12 Apr 1996 15:23:34 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 42 Message-ID: <NELSON.96Apr12112334@ns.crynwr.com> References: <4ki055$60l@Radon.Stanford.EDU> <jdd.829261293@cdf.toronto.edu> <yfglok14n5r.fsf@time.cdrom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.crynwr.com In-reply-to: jkh@time.cdrom.com's message of 12 Apr 1996 05:55:28 -0700 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:21141 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:535 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3118 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2903 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17119 comp.os.linux.advocacy:44796 In article <yfglok14n5r.fsf@time.cdrom.com> jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes: > The fact is that it's already too late for UNIX on the desktop. Nope. If you say that, then you clearly have not tried to administer a Windows95 machine. It's just hell. I know someone who spent a whole week trying to do an install on one machine that didn't crash within five minutes of booting. Win95 and WinNT try to be real operating systems. The closer they become to being real operating systems, the closer they approach Unix in complexity. Strip out most of Unix's functionality and you get... Windows. > the corporate IS managers when they learned that we needed $200,000 > worth of equipment and 6 different operating systems gurus to do the Nope. There is only one Unix for the desktop: Linux. > And that's just the applications arena. Let's assume that you just > wanted to tackle the automation and reduction-of-complexity issues > surrounding system administration of servers and other environments > where UNIX still has a clear advantage. Woo boy - talk about walking > into the lion's den! Nope. You haven't seen what happens when Windows 3.1/95 crashes and burns. There is only one thing to do: reinstall and hope that your files don't get mangled. > In any case, these are hardly sterling successes to point to and they > took their respective developers *years* to develop. That's because they weren't working cooperatively. What, pray tell, Jordan, prevents you from improving the flaws that you see in Linux, to the point where it is as good as FreeBSD or NetBSD or OpenBSD or 386BSD? -- -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | If you would seek peace, Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | first seek freedom