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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newshost.telstra.net!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!metro!metro!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!isar.de!augsburg.isar.net!194.45.233.6!roell From: roell@xinside.com (Thomas Roell) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Sometimes you need X server source (Was: Why to not buy Matrox Millennium) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 28 Mar 1996 17:43:28 GMT Organization: X Inside Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <ROELL.96Mar28184328@blah.xinside.com> References: <4j21ph$crr@slappy.cs.utexas.edu> <4j36ev$prl@news.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> <4ja099$r8k@ceylon.gte.com> <4ja28c$9da@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4jb67e$eil@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blah.a.isar.de In-reply-to: erik@fenris.campus.vt.edu's message of 27 Mar 1996 10:45:02 GMT Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.apps:13817 comp.os.linux.development.system:20244 comp.os.linux.x:27937 comp.os.linux.hardware:34737 comp.os.linux.setup:47841 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:353 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2855 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2633 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:16237 > : And a binary X server can have LBX as part of its standard distribution just > : as well as a source distributed, if LBX ever gets straightened out. > > The point is not what a binary X server can have.. it's what it doesn't > have RIGHT NOW. Wrong. At least Accelerated-X allows you to load extensions dynamically on the fly. And we happily hand out the information how to do this. So no real problem in loading a personal hacked extension. > of helping out when my time increases ). I like to be able to modify > it for either low memory conditions ( cut out EVERYTHING I don't like ) or > for when I need PEX/PHIGS support, or when I want to hack it for some > nifty feature. I can't do that with Xinside. Actually Accelerated-X helps you there even more. We do loading upon demand. That means PEX for example is always available and listed via xdpyinfo. But it is only loaded when you actually start an application that is using it. > Lets say I wanted to disable TCP connects to the X server because I am using > a standalone PC with a network connection. Can I do that with Xinside? Yes, there are options which allow you to do exactly this. And if it wouldn't then there is a new binary within a day if there are special requirements like this. Remember that you pay for the product and therefor get support. > Not that Xinside is bad.. if money can be made off software, I don't blame > people for doing so. But for students with limitted budgets and hobbyists > with even more limitted budgets, and everyone wanting to tweak their systems, > Xinside doesn't meet their needs. Xinside is good for those who want a > system that comes up out of the box.. Windows 95, OS/2, etc, all meet these > same needs. What you say here is kind of childish. The problem is that people take the cost of hardware for granted and complain just about software. They spend huge amounts of money for their graphics card, just to get half of the possible performance because they have to run XF86. If one is smart instead buy a decently fast graphics card that is optimally supported by Accelertaed-X and you will save money and get a faster overally solution. I'm just starting to get frustrated that even reasonable bright people seem to have a mental barrier to realize this. - Thomas -- Denver Office THOMAS ROELL /\ Das Reh springt hoch, +1(303)298-7478 X INSIDE INC / \/\ das Reh springt weit, 1801 Broadway, Suite 1710 / \ \/\ was soll es tun, Denver, CO 80202 roell@xinside.com / Oelch! \ \ es hat ja Zeit. -- Denver Office THOMAS ROELL /\ Das Reh springt hoch, +1(303)298-7478 X INSIDE INC / \/\ das Reh springt weit, 1801 Broadway, Suite 1710 / \ \/\ was soll es tun, Denver, CO 80202 roell@xinside.com / Oelch! \ \ es hat ja Zeit.