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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newshost.telstra.net!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!freenet.columbus.oh.us!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!library.erc.clarkson.edu!komarimf From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark Komarinski) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Sometimes you need X server source (Was: Why to not buy Matrox Millennium) Date: 27 Mar 1996 18:28:47 GMT Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4jc1cv$ja4@library.erc.clarkson.edu> References: <4j21ph$crr@slappy.cs.utexas.edu> <4j36ev$prl@news.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> <4ja099$r8k@ceylon.gte.com> <4ja28c$9da@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4jb67e$eil@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: craft.camp.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.apps:13764 comp.os.linux.development.system:20169 comp.os.linux.x:27842 comp.os.linux.hardware:34610 comp.os.linux.setup:47635 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:330 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2828 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2609 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:16163 erik@fenris.campus.vt.edu wrote: : Jason V. Robertson (jroberts@ehsn19.cen.uiuc.edu) wrote: : : : : And a binary X server can have LBX as part of its standard distribution just : : as well as a source distributed, if LBX ever gets straightened out. I also think LBX is a library (lbxproxy?) and a few programs have to be run for LBX to really be active. Since Xinside gets their base code from XF86 (who gets it from the X Consortium) my guess is that things like that are either compatable already, or can easily be put back in the code once LBX get stabilized. : The point is not what a binary X server can have.. it's what it doesn't : have RIGHT NOW. : If I want binary only software, there are operating systems that give : me much more options than Xinside out there.. Need I name them? Certainly not for $99 : Running Linux or BSD or anything gives me the source code to most things, : including everything I run at the moment. I like to be able to see : how people did things in the Xserver ( particularly as I still havehopes : of helping out when my time increases ). I like to be able to modify : it for either low memory conditions ( cut out EVERYTHING I don't like ) or : for when I need PEX/PHIGS support, or when I want to hack it for some : nifty feature. I can't do that with Xinside. It's the eternal balance. Do you want the source code and something very cheap? Get XF86. Want something that's rather fast and works with most cards? Get AccelX. : Lets say I wanted to disable TCP connects to the X server because I am using : a standalone PC with a network connection. Can I do that with Xinside? : ( and no, I don't want to buy a router to drop these packets.. I'm a student, : not a business ). With XFree86, all I need is the drive space, and a recompile : later, I have a Xserver that does what I want it to. Security patches.. : I'm there. I don't have to wait for the people at Xinside to put up a : new version. : Not that Xinside is bad.. if money can be made off software, I don't blame : people for doing so. But for students with limitted budgets and hobbyists : with even more limitted budgets, and everyone wanting to tweak their systems, : Xinside doesn't meet their needs. Xinside is good for those who want a : system that comes up out of the box.. Windows 95, OS/2, etc, all meet these : same needs. I have AccelX and am quite happy with it for two reasons: 1) I can run my Mach-32 card in 64k colors. XF86 can't. 2) It is faster than XF86. Those were my two requirements when I bought AccelX, and it met those requirements. If your requirements are different than that, that's your choice. : And as the students/hobbyists of the world, we have the talents and the skills : and the dedication to reverse engineer just about any software out there. The legality is a bit fuzzy :), but go for it. -- - Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu Smile. It makes people wonder what you're up to.