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From: iain@heist.demon.co.uk (Iain Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: PCI bus freq with CPU freq at (X * 40)Mhz?
Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.intel
Date: 5 Mar 1996 13:54:04 -0000
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Chris Mauritz (ritz@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
: Iain Baird (iain@heist.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: : PCI is specified to run at up to 33MHz.  To accomodate faster CPU
: : clocks motherboards can provide the facility for PCI to run at
: : some fraction of the CPU.  My motherboard (GA-486AMS) allows a
: : CPU:PCI ratio of 1:1 or 2:1, configured in the BIOS setup.  In
: : principle other ratios could be used (e.g. 4:3), but I'm not aware
: : of any motherboards which support this.
: : 
: : Having said that, I have run PCI at 40MHz with a DX4-120, and it
: : worked (with AHA-2940 and S3-968).  This made little or no difference
: : to kernel build times compared to 20MHz, although this is a crude
: : benchmark.  Doing this could reduce the life expectancy of PCI
: : cards.

: Reduce the life expectancy?  How?  My experience has been that
: overclocked cpu's/cards either work or don't work from square
: one...they don't work and then fail.  If you have different 
: experience please share.  I'd hate to think I'm risking expensive
: cpu's and #9 graphics cards...

I haven't experienced any such failures either.  The risk was
mentioned in a followup to an article I posted some time ago.
IIRC, the gist was that if you clock something faster, it runs
hotter.  This *could* increase the risk of failure.  I suppose
it depends on the tolerances of the components used; hopefully
"good quality" cards have sufficiently high tolerances.

: : With 15ns cache and 70ns SIMMs I was able to run a DX4-120 with
: : 0WS and 2-1-1-1 cache burst read, the fastest settings supported.
: : This is probably motherboard dependent.

I should have mentioned that I have both cache banks filled, so
cache accesses are interleaved.

: : This is the 5x86-133, it's only 160MHz if you overclock it, and then you're
: : back where you started...

: Really....According to AMD's web page, it's almost identical in
: performance to a 486/120...

: : :      Now I'm seriously considering AMD 133 part (this one is 33MHz, 4x).
: : :      Guys have a very nice opinions on it.
: : 
: : For PCI, the AMD 5x86-133 makes more sense.  I'm running one now,
: : and very happy with it.

: I might try one for grins, but AMD's own benchmarks put it almost
: exactly where the 486/120 is...I'm not sure I understand their
: marketing...

Apart from the faster clock, the AMD 5x86 has 16KB L1 cache compared
to 8KB for the DX4-120.  OTOH, the DX4 accesses memory at 40MHz
instead of 33MHz.  Which performs better probably depends on what
you're using it for.

The clock increase from 120 to 133 is about 11%.  My kernel build
times improved by about 15%.  This suggests that, for this application,
the larger cache is a modest win.

iain