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From: richard@radar.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Re: PCI bus freq with CPU freq at (X * 40)Mhz?
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:45:36 GMT
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Andrew V. Stesin (stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua) wrote:
: Sorry for ignorance, but what will be the frequency on a PC's PCI bus
: when the CPU runs at main frequency of 40MHz (DX2/80, DX4/120 i.e.)?

Depends on the chipset. Maybe 20MHz, maybe 33MHz, perhaps something else.
PCI is rated at 0 to 33MHz.
 
: I always thought that PCI will than run at 40MHz too.
: But was told today that it will be only 20MHz?!  Oh God.
: How can I check this for sure, without running hated benchmarks,
: but only by exploration of MB jumpers?

Even if it is, it may be that IO speed is not as important as main memory
speed. The ASUS PVI-486 SP3 only drops slightly in PCI speed going from
33 to 40MHz.

: I was also told that having 40MHz will probably cause
: an addition of extra wait states for cache and RAM access,
: thus making a box considerably _slower_ for real work
: than with 33MHz CPU main frequency, especially for UNIX-like OS
: (FreeBSD in my case, but who cares).  Any comments on this one?

Again, depends on the motherboard. I have 2 486 motherboards, both based
on the SiS 496/497 chipset. Both can handle 50MHz as easily as 33MHz (no
extra wait states). One is an ASUS PVI-SP3, the other is by DTK Computer.

: And, in case both statements are true, why bother looking
: at (X * 40)MHz 486 CPUs at all?

Because on a good motherboard it is faster.
 
: P.S. I don't own a PCI box, but just planning to buy one, choosing
:      the best bang-per-buck configuration now.
:      Was considering AMD 160MHz (glorified 486, called 5x86, he-he :)
:      chip, which has 40MHz main freq and 4x multiplier.
:      Now I'm seriously considering AMD 133 part (this one is 33MHz, 4x).
:      Guys have a very nice opinions on it.

You may be better off at the low end of Pentium market. Cyrix 6x86-100 on
a cheap Triton motherboard is not that expensive.

 - Richard