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#! rnews 3464 bsd Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!olive.mil.adfa.oz.au!navmat.navy.gov.au!posgate.acis.com.au!warrane.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1!not-for-mail From: root@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Subject: Re: need secure OS to entrust millions to X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dyson.iquest.net Message-ID: <4gmvg1$771@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: news@iquest.net (News Admin) Organization: John S. Dyson's home machine References: <4gi6t6$3h9@lace.colorado.edu> <312D2029.FF6D5DF@FreeBSD.org> <nc0453Dn96w6.93F@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:14:57 GMT Lines: 59 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:18056 comp.os.linux.misc:88544 comp.os.linux.networking:29744 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:14382 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2323 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2465 In article <nc0453Dn96w6.93F@netcom.com>, - <nc0453@netcom.com> wrote: >In article <312D2029.FF6D5DF@FreeBSD.org>, >Jordan K. Hubbard <jkh@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >>Bryce wrote: >>> >>> FreeBSD or BSDI. I'm considering changing this >>> recommendation to Linux. >> >>I think this would be an ungodly mistake, frankly. > >The message sounds like flamebait to me. > Firstly, I am a member of the FreeBSD core team, and have worked on supporting mission critical OS/CPU combinations. It is an ungodly mistake to use Linux, FreeBSD or BSDI in such an application. Those OSes currently don't support multiple/redundant CPU/Memory/I-O subsystems, for example. My customers paid big bucks for support and got it. Much of the time, major bugs were fixed within a few hours. At least one of us had to carry a pager 24/7. Our entire function was to address and solve customers problems ASAP (including their software errors.) It is amazing that people don't know about services like that being available. This quality of service costs more than $200/year :-). > >>Buy a commercial OS and the best support contract money can buy. > >So that you can place blame on someone else? > The blame comment above appears to be cynical. Please refer to my comment above. The customers paid for the support that they got. These machines were (among other things) billing computers for long distance and local phone service. Lots of $$$ lost during downtime. The same machines were also used in LARGE financial institutions for their accounting. > >Can you name one commercial OS that provides source code? > You CAN get it for many commercial OSes, and you'll have to pay about 1yr loaded developer's salary for it. If you can't get it, then you had better buy good support or don't buy it, given you have a mission critical application. > >> President, FreeBSD Project > >Fascinating. FBSD is not a player in the real market, even by >your opinion. That shows a desperate lack of vision, I'm afraid. > Please define "real market", and speaking of "flame bait", I think that your posting is causing the problem that you accuse others of. Why make negative comments putting people down? There is plenty of room in the market for competition. Jordan not only has vision, he is also a realist and won't misrepresent FreeBSD just to get a sale. It is that bothersome ethics thing, you know. :-). John Dyson dyson@freebsd.org