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From: peter@cyklop.volvo.se (peter hakanson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison)
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Date: 17 Jan 1996 17:00:15 GMT
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As anyone who have tried using NFS over slow/irregular links
NFS-over TCP is a BIG improvment ( afactor of 10 can easily
be acieved in some cases)

I have tried. On a LAN UDP is faster, as expected.

So do dispute NFS over TCP unless you have experience about it!

Drive Carefully!

Terry Lambert (terry@lambert.org) wrote:
: thurlow@peyto.eng.sun.com (Robert Thurlow) wrote:
: ]
: ] In article <4d9has$qo9@park.uvsc.edu>,
: ] Terry Lambert  <terry@lambert.org> wrote:
: ] 
: ] >thurlow@peyto.eng.sun.com (Robert Thurlow) wrote:
: ] 
: ] >] NFS in 5.x has the same or better consistency guarantees as your
: ] >] favorite 4.x version.  And in 5.5, you get NFS Version 3 and NFS
: ] >] over TCP, which work so well and so fast I was amazed when I
: ] >] started here.  You're clearly out in left field on this topic.
: ] 
: ] >Sorry, "the same" is not an argument for change.  If you had a
: ] >tangible "or better", then you'd have a case.
: ] 
: ] You implied that SunOS 5.x was faster because it played fast and
: ] loose with consistency guarantees.  This is simply untrue, and
: ] I'm calling you on it; consistency has been tightened up in many
: ] areas, and not made weaker anywhere.  If you believe otherwise,
: ] please be specific.

: Client caching prior to NFSv3 violates the protocol specification.

: Server caching of writes violates the protocol specification.


: 4.x did not do server write caching by default.


: I will not argue that NFS security under 5.x isn't tighter (and
: therefore less usable) than under 4.x.  Most of the "consitency
: guarantees" I see in the 5.x release notes are security issues,
: and not relevant to the discussion.

: The one possible win (and you have yet to claim it, or anything
: other than a blanket statement that 5.x is faster than 4.x,
: without providing numbers or rationale) is kernel threading of
: the biod's.  This is a minor win at best, since the process
: context switch on NFS is not that high, relatively, because the
: anonymity of clients breaks FS locality of refernce, which
: renders the cache and register windows useless.  Thus effective
: context switch overhead vs. a system-call-that-never-returns is
: negligible.

: Must I both make and refute your points?  It is encumbent on
: *you* to defend your speed claims with specific examples.

: To get this off on the right foot:

: ] >] NFS in 5.x has the same or better consistency guarantees as your
: ] >] favorite 4.x version.  And in 5.5, you get NFS Version 3 and NFS
: ] >] over TCP, which work so well and so fast I was amazed when I
: ] >] started here.  You're clearly out in left field on this topic.

: I don't believe you.  Please give specific references.


: 					Regards,
:                                         Terry Lambert
:                                         terry@cs.weber.edu
: ---
: Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
: or previous employers.

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